What is your opinion on the Russian Influence on the 2016 Presidential Election?

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Steyr and Soul

Okay, we've been messing with the middle-east in terms of trying to change regimes, since, oh Eisenhower. For sure, IMO, the last two presidents, spanning and period of 16 years have made a mess of it. I get your point and I'm not arguing it.

The question that I answered was - why weren't they protesting at Obama's vacation retreat - based on it's apparent follow-on to Steyr's tirade, I answered as I did.

Truth is THE POPULAR narrative is that Obama was trying to get us out. If you weren't so busy trying to count coup on me you could discern by the rest that I didn't think he had done a good job.

Later, I got work to do.

Protesting Obama would be racist.

Wasn't aware I had a tirade.

Obama never tried to get us out, in fact he pulled a "line in the sand" over the use of chemical weapons and failed to back it up which emboldened out enemies even more.

But at least we agree, the last two Presidents (and I'll even spot you 8 years of Clinton and say the last three) have really sucked.

Of course the "make a mess out of everything" ball really didn't start rolling until Bush 41 decided to screw over Iraq who Reagan spent years to develop an alliance with and was one of the few mostly secular, modern arab states.

Originally Posted by platoonDaddy

Since Russia is in the news and this thread is about Russia: The Manchurian Candidate, dispatched one of his senate staff to Europe to personally retrieve the 32 page report on Trump. What a piece of shit.

He and AmnestyGraham are two of the weakest link in the “R” majority in the senate.

British article:

From there, McCain dispatched a 'trusted emissary' who flew across the Atlantic to meet the source of the documents at an airport that the Guardian did not name.

The aide was instructed to look for a man with a copy of the Financial Times and that's how the individuals met, with the source taking McCain's emissary back to his house and giving the American a copy of the documents.

Within 24 hours, the dossier was in Washington, though the contents of the file couldn't be verified without an investigation.

McCain, the Guardian said, was worried that his actions might be interpreted as revenge for some of the controversial comments Trump made about him – such as knocking the fact that the longtime senator had been a prisoner of war.

However, McCain decided to hand over the documents to FBI Director James Comey on December 9.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-ex-spy.html

Doesn't this lay bare the lie that the Russian hack of the election was one sided? They gave this MI6 guy all the stuff to take down Trump too, the problem is that none of it could be collaborated, so the press didn't follow through. The Russian 'interference' was asymmetrical. DNC/Podesta emails (which were the truth) and lies about Trump (how could you slime a slimeball). Has anyone ruled out Russian fingerprints on the Pussy video?

That and if one more intelligence source pukes info out in under 48 hours of a meeting for POTUS, we need to start taking people down. The insanity of the DNC/MSM going ape-crap over leaked emails by leaking POTUS-elect meetings is truly hard to believe. That they can't see that irony just shows you the hatred from the left.

And F John Lewis. What has he done this century? In most people's lifetimes.

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Doesn't this lay bare the lie that the Russian hack of the election was one sided? They gave this MI6 guy all the stuff to take down Trump too, the problem is that none of it could be collaborated, so the press didn't follow through. The Russian 'interference' was asymmetrical. DNC/Podesta emails (which were the truth) and lies about Trump (how could you slime a slimeball). Has anyone ruled out Russian fingerprints on the Pussy video?

That and if one more intelligence source pukes info out in under 48 hours of a meeting for POTUS, we need to start taking people down. The insanity of the DNC/MSM going ape-crap over leaked emails by leaking POTUS-elect meetings is truly hard to believe. That they can't see that irony just shows you the hatred from the left.

And F John Lewis. What has he done this century? In most people's lifetimes.

Most of that is a far stretch except the part where McCain is a bitter, vengeful old man. Well, that and Lewis being worthless.

Personally, I hope Trump finds an opportunity to long dick McCain, Graham and Rubio pretty soon. I'm sick of these war mongering cucks on the "right".

Originally Posted by glocktogo

Most of that is a far stretch except the part where McCain is a bitter, vengeful old man. Well, that and Lewis being worthless.

Personally, I hope Trump finds an opportunity to long dick McCain, Graham and Rubio pretty soon. I'm sick of these war mongering cucks on the "right".

You think that McCain, Graham, and Rubio are trying to start a war with Russia?

BTW, I agree with the sentiments on Lewis.

Originally Posted by Sensei

You think that McCain, Graham, and Rubio are trying to start a war with Russia?

BTW, I agree with the sentiments on Lewis.

I think they think they can get Syria for the gulf states pipeline. I think they're out of their damned minds.

Originally Posted by glocktogo

Most of that is a far stretch except the part where McCain is a bitter, vengeful old man.

Is it? It fits the facts better than anything else. They wanted to make the US election illegitimate and a farce. This whole thing about them not wanting HRC is complete BS. Like they have suffered under BHO? The email scandal on HRC and the sleaze scandal on Trump. The pussy tape as a trigger for all the other stuff that is in the dossier. Podesta said his emails came out at the same time as the Pussy tape. Seems like a pretty good try at fair&balanced attacks by the Russians.

The Progressive/MSM/CIA story on this is completely out of touch with the facts and only survives because they control the narrative and Trump can't stay on point. Plus, everyone in DC on both sides hates Trump. The DNC and GOP powerbrokers both see gains to be made at Trump's expense.

Who put the Pussy tape out? Where did the money for the MI6 guy come from?

Why would the Russians divulge about the kompromat on Trump to the MI6 guy? What good is the stuff if everyone knows about it before you have a chance to leverage the guy. And people inside Russia, people in the know, are going to spike their greatest stuff that they could use against the next POTUS?

My narrative for all these events and facts makes more sense than the one being pushed out there.

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Is it? It fits the facts better than anything else. They wanted to make the US election illegitimate and a farce. This whole thing about them not wanting HRC is complete BS. Like they have suffered under BHO? The email scandal on HRC and the sleaze scandal on Trump. The pussy tape as a trigger for all the other stuff that is in the dossier. Podesta said his emails came out at the same time as the Pussy tape. Seems like a pretty good try at fair&balanced attacks by the Russians.

The Progressive/MSM/CIA story on this is completely out of touch with the facts and only survives because they control the narrative and Trump can't stay on point. Plus, everyone in DC on both sides hates Trump. The DNC and GOP powerbrokers both see gains to be made at Trump's expense.

Who put the Pussy tape out? Where did the money for the MI6 guy come from?

Why would the Russians divulge about the kompromat on Trump to the MI6 guy? What good is the stuff if everyone knows about it before you have a chance to leverage the guy. And people inside Russia, people in the know, are going to spike their greatest stuff that they could use against the next POTUS?

My narrative for all these events and facts makes more sense than the one being pushed out there.

Hollywood put out the pussy tape because no one hates Trump worse than the Hollywood elite. Who had the tape after all, Hollywood! Sometimes the most obvious answer is actually the answer.

I think it was Rubio agents who commissioned the dossier, but he was gone before it was ready. I think from there it got shopped and McCain was a last ditch pitch, and he bit. Do you really think the MI6 guy wasn't aware of the kompromat program without being directory told about it by the Russians? You must not have much respect for MI6 as a global intelligence agency if so. No Russian agent is going to disclose kompromat results to a former MI6 agent for nothing. So either he bribed a Russian agent or he created the "intel", knowing full well Russian intelligence would never provide evidence of authenticity even if it was real. Either way, it works exactly because it can't be authenticated. Intelligence agents eat, sleep and breathe disinformation. Again, the simplest answer is the easiest answer.

And again, Russia isn't playing anything the U.S. politicians didn't allow them to play via their own hubris. Everyone except Trump were willing to damage the integrity of the American election in order to damage their opponents. Every. One. Of. Them.

So you could spin around with a blindfold and pick a direction to point at random, and you'd be pointing at a guilty party. Instead of working to make the nation better and more honorable, they're all more interested in self-service. So fvck all of them with a rusty spork because they're all traitors.

Originally Posted by glocktogo

I think they think they can get Syria for the gulf states pipeline. I think they're out of their damned minds.

Just so I understand, your theory is that these Republican senators teamed up with the Obama administration to get involved with Syria to ensure that the natural gas from Qatar would go to Europe through Syria, thus weakening Europe's dependence on Russia for its energy? This of course is necessary because Syrian President Bashar al-Assad rejected a pipeline proposed by Qata and signed up with Iran for an alternative pipeline that would make Iran, not Qatar, the principal Middle East supplier of natural gas to European energy markets, correct?

I think I've heard this theory before, but there are a few details that still confuse me. I just want to make sure that I understand the gist before getting into the weeds.

The CIA is a liability to The People of The United States of America.
They are literally more dangerous than 99% of the terrorists. Trump needs to purge that organization ASAP.

Originally Posted by Sensei

Just so I understand, your theory is that these Republican senators teamed up with the Obama administration to get involved with Syria to ensure that the natural gas from Qatar would go to Europe through Syria, thus weakening Europe's dependence on Russia for its energy? This of course is necessary because Syrian President Bashar al-Assad rejected a pipeline proposed by Qata and signed up with Iran for an alternative pipeline that would make Iran, not Qatar, the principal Middle East supplier of natural gas to European energy markets, correct?

I think I've heard this theory before, but there are a few details that still confuse me. I just want to make sure that I understand the gist before getting into the weeds.

Not sure about the specifics, but the idea that Republicans and Democrats would hop into bed together for their mutual financial benefit, even at the expense of the lives of our soldiers is not very far fetched.

Certainly not the first time these Republican senators have blown the Obama administration. McCain can do a reach around from all the way across the aisle. Graham might as well tack a D on the end of his name and Rubio is busy calling Trump out for his relationship with Russia and their human rights issues, meanwhile Obama just ended the policy of accepting Cuban refugees who reach our shores and so far I haven't heard him repudiate the current President nearly as much as he has criticized Trump.