What is your opinion on the Russian Influence on the 2016 Presidential Election?

Originally Posted by Sensei

Just so I understand, your theory is that these Republican senators teamed up with the Obama administration to get involved with Syria to ensure that the natural gas from Qatar would go to Europe through Syria, thus weakening Europe's dependence on Russia for its energy? This of course is necessary because Syrian President Bashar al-Assad rejected a pipeline proposed by Qata and signed up with Iran for an alternative pipeline that would make Iran, not Qatar, the principal Middle East supplier of natural gas to European energy markets, correct?

I think I've heard this theory before, but there are a few details that still confuse me. I just want to make sure that I understand the gist before getting into the weeds.

Ask yourself why the Clinton Foundation was getting such large checks from gulf states? Ask yourself why McCain and Graham where so eager to oppose Trump.

Originally Posted by glocktogo

Hollywood put out the pussy tape because no one hates Trump worse than the Hollywood elite. Who had the tape after all, Hollywood! Sometimes the most obvious answer is actually the answer.

I think it was Rubio agents who commissioned the dossier, but he was gone before it was ready. I think from there it got shopped and McCain was a last ditch pitch, and he bit. Do you really think the MI6 guy wasn't aware of the kompromat program without being directory told about it by the Russians? You must not have much respect for MI6 as a global intelligence agency if so. No Russian agent is going to disclose kompromat results to a former MI6 agent for nothing. So either he bribed a Russian agent or he created the "intel", knowing full well Russian intelligence would never provide evidence of authenticity even if it was real. Either way, it works exactly because it can't be authenticated. Intelligence agents eat, sleep and breathe disinformation. Again, the simplest answer is the easiest answer.

And again, Russia isn't playing anything the U.S. politicians didn't allow them to play via their own hubris. Everyone except Trump were willing to damage the integrity of the American election in order to damage their opponents. Every. One. Of. Them.

So you could spin around with a blindfold and pick a direction to point at random, and you'd be pointing at a guilty party. Instead of working to make the nation better and more honorable, they're all more interested in self-service. So fvck all of them with a rusty spork because they're all traitors.

So we can source the hack of the DNC to the Russians, but no one is the least bit interested into the actual source of the Pussy tape... the assymeterical aspect of that interest is interesting.

How much money would you need to bribe people to go against Putin? And I saw the MI6 guy did this all for free. So if the the MI6 guy made this out of thin air, why has it taken this long to disprove? Granted, him making this up is the simplest, it isn't the only one.

And of course, everyone in DC hates Trump, so this thing keeps on going. The DNC/MSM has definately fallen into Russian trap of using this to deligitimize Trump. That they are screaming about Trump's complicity with the Russians, while playing into the Russians hands to deligitimize Trump and make a joke of our system.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Not sure about the specifics, but the idea that Republicans and Democrats would hop into bed together for their mutual financial benefit, even at the expense of the lives of our soldiers is not very far fetched.

So, you also think that our envolement in Syria is an elaborate plan between Republicans and Democrats to hurt Russian exports in Europe?

Originally Posted by Business_Casual

Ask yourself why the Clinton Foundation was getting such large checks from gulf states? Ask yourself why McCain and Graham where so eager to oppose Trump.

I have asked myself this and I seem to be coming up with different reasons than many on this forum. However, I'm open to hearing an alternative point of view if someone is up to speed on the specifics of our war mongering toward Russia.

Originally Posted by Sensei

So, you also think that our envolement in Syria is an elaborate plan between Republicans and Democrats to hurt Russian exports in Europe?

I thought that was common knowledge? You could say hurt Russian exports, or the reality is that you remove the ability of Russia to blackmail western europe. You really think the Germans or French would freeze during winter to keep the Baltic states free, especially after Putin concocts some kind of rationale around ethnic Russians there being threatened?

Isn't that KEV's take on things?

CGI is Katy Barring the doors, fellas.

http://observer.com/2017/01/the-clin...al-initiative/

#HardToSellFavorsWhenYouCan'tDeliverTheGoods

Originally Posted by Firefly

Russia DGAF.

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He has more or less brought Russia from being a joke post collapse to being pretty much a superpower again.

You've made the traditional Western misread of Russia, confusing desperation for strength.

Russia didn't suck Eastern Europe in 1945 into their orbit because they were strong, it was because they were weak.

With the exception of Russian participation in Syria, every other example is a fait accompli: The Russians moved swiftly and did what they did before anybody could oppose them, leaving the US, NATO, and others in a position where they could use strong language or they would have to go to war with Russia to reverse the offending action.

Even Russian participation in Syria has been tempered by the fact that the Russians simply are not that capable.

Originally Posted by Business_Casual

So you don't think he's really a billionaire.

All that Trump would have to do to forever silence all questions that he is, in fact, a billionaire and not merely an orange balloon filled with hot air wearing a toupée is to make his tax documents available to the public. As virtually every president and presidential candidate has since 1970 or so.

His unwillingness to do so understandably fuels suspicion that his net worth is not what he claims it is and that he may 'only' be a millionaire or 'barely' a billionaire.

This is akin to Trump claiming to have been a Ranger and being unwilling to release his DD214 to prove it.

I would love to know why he won't release them. He even said after the audit was complete (something totally unnecessary for in regards to releasing tax returns) he would release them. Doubt we will ever see them now. And if you don't think he is hiding them because there is something in there he doesn't want people to see then you are deluding yourself. What that something is, who knows.

Originally Posted by skywalkrNCSU

I would love to know why he won't release them. He even said after the audit was complete (something totally unnecessary for in regards to releasing tax returns) he would release them. Doubt we will ever see them now. And if you don't think he is hiding them because there is something in there he doesn't want people to see then you are deluding yourself. What that something is, who knows.

My suspicion is that it is multiple things. The most obvious is his real net worth. Much of the Trump mystique is the notion that he is uber rich and there for a capable businessman or leader. While there is no doubt that he is very rich by any definition, he is probably not as rich (or capable) as he claims. Many individuals and institutions have estimated his net worth, and most put it far less than he claims. Like most who claim to have a 14" dick, he probably figures that it's best to shower with a bathing suit on so that people don't realize that it's only 10 inches.

In addition, he has probably justly and skillfully taken advantage of our tax code in ways that are perfectly legal but unsavory to many Americans. Finally, his personal tax returns would be interesting, but a more telling story would be to see the books and IRS filings for his enterprise. I'm not at all surprised that he is not doing that since it would provide an advantage to his competition.

Originally Posted by Sensei

Like most who claim to have a 14" dick, he probably figures that it's best to shower with a bathing suit on so that people don't realize that it's only 10 inches.

Pretty safe to say that most guys who have Big Johnson t-shirts dont,,,have a Big Johnson.

If I had a 10 inch pee-pee I'd tape a ruler to it when I showered, instead I go through life saying 'Hey, damn it's cold!'

The myth of Trump as anything but a mediocre business man is just that a myth. From what I've been able to discern by reading along his back trail he consistently overleveraged his holdings and as a result left creditors holding the bag while walking away relatively unscathed.

What is truly amazing to me is that after the first, or even the second episode anyone else would do business with him...oh, wait, they weren't using their money, were they?

Those that believe a demonstrably unethical businessman will suddenly change colors are truly naive.

And, one again, what have I done, I voted for him. I can take some solace in the fact that it was either run my car off a bridge or go head on into a bridge abutment, but not much.

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Pretty safe to say that most guys who have Big Johnson t-shirts dont,,,have a Big Johnson.

If I had a 10 inch pee-pee I'd tape a ruler to it when I showered, instead I go through life saying 'Hey, damn it's cold!'

The myth of Trump as anything but a mediocre business man is just that a myth. From what I've been able to discern by reading along his back trail he consistently overleveraged his holdings and as a result left creditors holding the bag while walking away relatively unscathed.

What is truly amazing to me is that after the first, or even the second episode anyone else would do business with him...oh, wait, they weren't using their money, were they?

Those that believe a demonstrably unethical businessman will suddenly change colors are truly naive.

And, one again, what have I done, I voted for him. I can take some solace in the fact that it was either run my car off a bridge or go head on into a bridge abutment, but not much.

Pretty funny post. All joking aside, let's pray that he is a better president than businessman.