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Thread: Petition to repeal the NFA (& Hughes Amndt)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta-3 View Post
    If I did my math right...for just 2015 Uncle Sam collected $285,242,200 dollars in NFA stamp fees.
    Damn.. That's more than I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by w3453l View Post
    I wouldn't mind paying a $200 tax. I'd happily pay $300. Just get rid of the whole process of registering, having to engrave, submitting all your info, having to file BS forms every time you might want to take it out of state, waiting endlessly for permission, &c.

    Just make the process of buying a suppressor the same as buying a flash hider or muzzlebrake. They can add a $200-$300 convenience fee/tax whatever.

    Just quit making this false image that a metal tube is something more dangerous than it really is.
    Don't give them any ideas lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by w3453l View Post
    I wouldn't mind paying a $200 tax. I'd happily pay $300. Just get rid of the whole process of registering, having to engrave, submitting all your info, having to file BS forms every time you might want to take it out of state, waiting endlessly for permission, &c.

    Just make the process of buying a suppressor the same as buying a flash hider or muzzlebrake. They can add a $200-$300 convenience fee/tax whatever.

    Just quit making this false image that a metal tube is something more dangerous than it really is.
    I'm not trying to be a dick, but this is exactly the wrong attitude to take. Can you please give me one good reason to support $200 tax on a transaction that the government has no business in?

    We pay federal taxes (among others) on every gallon gas we buy, which presumably goes back to support construction and repair of highways and roadways. Okay, I can live with that.

    But a 20-40% tax ($200) on a suppressor? What is the purpose of that tax other than to be restrictive and burdensome on the buyer? Same with the tax on an SBR.

    That suppressor is a commodity, sold by a company, that employs workers. The materials purchased to make it are taxed. The employee salaries are taxed. The income produced from the sale to the retail store are taxed, and the income to the retail seller is taxed. And I am NOT including any relevant state sales tax, I am talking about federal corporate and income taxes collected.

    So as the buyer, you pay a state retail sales tax AND a federal tax? It is complete bull crap, and We The People should not put up with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzinSATX View Post
    I'm not trying to be a dick, but this is exactly the wrong attitude to take. Can you please give me one good reason to support $200 tax on a transaction that the government has no business in?

    We pay federal taxes (among others) on every gallon gas we buy, which presumably goes back to support construction and repair of highways and roadways. Okay, I can live with that.

    But a 20-40% tax ($200) on a suppressor? What is the purpose of that tax other than to be restrictive and burdensome on the buyer? Same with the tax on an SBR.

    That suppressor is a commodity, sold by a company, that employs workers. The materials purchased to make it are taxed. The employee salaries are taxed. The income produced from the sale to the retail store are taxed, and the income to the retail seller is taxed. And I am NOT including any relevant state sales tax, I am talking about federal corporate and income taxes collected.

    So as the buyer, you pay a state retail sales tax AND a federal tax? It is complete bull crap, and We The People should not put up with it.
    While certainly most everyone agrees with you, if you were the governing body overseeing such transactions (& making a killing over it), you'd be hesitant to willingly put an end to it.
    ...especially if millions of dollars are being delivered by the truckload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st381183 View Post
    I signed. Trumps son-in-law is a big time NFA guy so hopefully he has his father-in-law's ear.
    Jared? I thought Donnie is also into NFA.
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    Why not just a last minute amendment to the HPA that tacks on removing SBRs or just a simple repeal of the sporting clause? We have a better chance at that since that's already moving.

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    Some people did, I wasn't one of them. That said, if you want to kill a vampire, you don't cut his ear off. You drive a stake in him (Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Sporting Clause bullshit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta-3 View Post
    If I did my math right...for just 2015 Uncle Sam collected $285,242,200 dollars in NFA stamp fees.
    I'm not so sure that's correct. In 2015, the ATF processed 1,426,211 NFA firearms (which x200 is where I believe you got your figure). However in that same year the ATF only processed 308,563 NFA forms (which amounts to $61,712,600 and happens to be much closer to numbers I've been quoted in the past when looking into this).

    The important thing to keep in mind is that while $62 million is a lot of money to the lowly US citizen, it is a drop in the bucket compared to the total budget of the DOJ as a whole (FY 2015 discretionary budget of $27.4 BILLION) which is where your tax stamp money goes. Even $285 million seems small compared to those numbers. This is why I don't like the "Uncle Sam will never repeal unlawful restrictions because they'll lose too much money" argument. This is also without considering what it costs the DOJ to keep the NFA Branch of the ATF running, which is likely a lot more than common sense should dictate.

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    I think pushing for a more streamlined process should be the first step. Trump is all about efficiency so that's something we could get him behind without much work.

    We need to borrow a page from the liberal playbook and go for incremental progress, not massive sweeping changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzinSATX View Post
    I'm not trying to be a dick, but this is exactly the wrong attitude to take. Can you please give me one good reason to support $200 tax on a transaction that the government has no business in?

    We pay federal taxes (among others) on every gallon gas we buy, which presumably goes back to support construction and repair of highways and roadways. Okay, I can live with that.

    But a 20-40% tax ($200) on a suppressor? What is the purpose of that tax other than to be restrictive and burdensome on the buyer? Same with the tax on an SBR.

    That suppressor is a commodity, sold by a company, that employs workers. The materials purchased to make it are taxed. The employee salaries are taxed. The income produced from the sale to the retail store are taxed, and the income to the retail seller is taxed. And I am NOT including any relevant state sales tax, I am talking about federal corporate and income taxes collected.

    So as the buyer, you pay a state retail sales tax AND a federal tax? It is complete bull crap, and We The People should not put up with it.
    No offense taken.

    Don't get me wrong, I certainly agree with you on the tax being completely BS and only burdensome. I'm definitely not happy about having to pay it.

    I was more just "thinking out loud" in the sense that, like most bills, there's usually compromises that are made. Of course we should push and ask for it all, but like mentioned somewhere above, it's going to take baby steps.

    I think everyone including the ATF knows that the whole idea of NFA is a joke.

    -An AR Pistol with a brace is ok until you swap it out with a stock, which is practically only different in aesthetics.
    -A 14.7" barrel on a rifle is a weapon of mass destruction, but that added 1.3" magically makes it safer.

    The list goes on, and all of these can make you a felon.

    I think the biggest issue they have with getting rid of NFA is the tax part. That's a lot of income for them, and I don't think they're very eager to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w3453l View Post

    I think the biggest issue they have with getting rid of NFA is the tax part. That's a lot of income for them, and I don't think they're very eager to let it go.
    $62 million isn't a lot of income for them. I mean, it is, but it isn't. It makes up less than 0.2% of their annual discretionary budget. More about it in my earlier post.
    Last edited by plinkerr; 01-23-17 at 15:36. Reason: My decimal was one off

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