WINNING: Trump orders weekly publication of criminal illegal alien misdeeds

Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26

My post was in response to the suggestion that nobody should be here under a green card, which we all know is ridiculous.

As far as vetting people before they come here that's great. But honestly, how effective will it really be? Unless an individual makes a habit of visiting known terrorists or discussing their desire to get their jihad on online it's doubtful that we would even know who they were. The CIA can't be everywhere, HUMINT isn't perfect, and even if it was would they share the information with the State Department?

Students graduating college cannot find jobs

Record amount of student loan debt.

Record amount of personal debt

Wage stagnation for 15 years

Lowest home ownership rate since WW2

In the 1970s the average home was 2x the prevailing wage, now it is 4x

Why do you think this is? Nobody has any money. Bringing more people here to take away jobs makes this worse, not better.

Why should an American student getting a computer sciences job have to compete against a green card holder from India ?

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

We fundamentally changed America in 1965 when we changed our immigration policies then. Specifically, the Hart–Celler Act allowed increased numbers of people to migrate to the United States from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Southern and Eastern Europe.

Prior to 1965, the demographics of immigration stood as mostly Europeans; 68 percent of legal immigrants in the 1950s came from Europe and Canada. However, in the years 1971-1991, immigrants from Hispanic and Latin American countries made 47.9 percent of immigrants (with Mexico accounting for 23.7 percent) and immigrants from Asia 35.2 percent.

Not only did it change the ethnic makeup of immigration, but it also greatly increased the number of immigrants—immigration constituted 11 percent of the total U.S. population growth between 1960 and 1970, growing to 33 percent from 1970–80, and to 39 percent from 1980-90.

Exactly. You can thank St. Teddy Kennedy for that minor adjustment to the INA. Similarly at about the same time the Brits started letting anybody and everybody in. The actual intent was to arbitrarily alter the demographics of the country by stealth. Any questions were met by denial and if necessary, countercharges of racism.

All this was visible on the ground 30 years ago. We always wondered if the American people would EVER catch on, much less our "leaders" ever grow a pair and even say what needed to be said.

If you're "mad as hell", welcome to the party. Better late than never.

Originally Posted by scottryan

Students graduating college cannot find jobs

Record amount of student loan debt.

Record amount of personal debt

Wage stagnation for 15 years

Lowest home ownership rate since WW2

In the 1970s the average home was 2x the prevailing wage, now it is 4x

Why do you think this is? Nobody has any money. Bringing more people here to take away jobs makes this worse, not better.

Why should an American student getting a computer sciences job have to compete against a green card holder from India ?

Students with art, general business, gender studies, etc. degrees can't find jobs because they have utterly useless degrees and no skills.

They have loan debt because it takes them 6 years to get a 4 year degree after changing their major 3 times.

Wages and home ownership paint a picture of the economy as a whole. It's a complex situation that can't be boiled down to any one issue.

Competition breeds innovation. Both of those students will get a computer science job. But one will get a better job because he sets himself apart somehow.

I feel like I'm in an episode of South Park here. "They took errr jerbs!!!"

Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26

Students with art, general business, gender studies, etc. degrees can't find jobs because they have utterly useless degrees and no skills.

They have loan debt because it takes them 6 years to get a 4 year degree after changing their major 3 times.

Wages and home ownership paint a picture of the economy as a whole. It's a complex situation that can't be boiled down to any one issue.

Competition breeds innovation. Both of those students will get a computer science job. But one will get a better job because he sets himself apart somehow.

I feel like I'm in an episode of South Park here. "They took errr jerbs!!!"

Nope

It takes 9-12 months for most to find a job after college and this is in technical engineering and other stem positions.

Nobody is hiring.

The average cost is $20k a year to attend a public university.

Out of curiosity what do you do for a living ?

Originally Posted by scottryan

Nope

It takes 9-12 months for most to find a job after college and this is in technical engineering and other stem positions.

Nobody is hiring.

The average cost is $20k a year to attend a public university.

Out of curiosity what do you do for a living ?

Is that a fact?

I have 3 friends with engineering degrees, all of whom had a job lined up before they even graduated. The same goes for those with computer science degrees.

Going to college has never been cheap, but that has absolutely nothing to do with immigration.

What I do for a living is irrelevant. I will say, however, that it requires skills that can't be learned from a book. One cannot just walk in off the street and hope to do my job.

Originally Posted by scottryan

Nope

It takes 9-12 months for most to find a job after college and this is in technical engineering and other stem positions.

Nobody is hiring.

The average cost is $20k a year to attend a public university.

Out of curiosity what do you do for a living ?

Got anything to back up that 9-12 month figure? I had a job before I graduated in the midst of the recession and then I had multiple job offers before finishing grad school. Every employer I have been with is struggling to find qualified STEM grads. They are trying to hire, it's the people to hire that they are having a hard time with.

With regard to hiring/not hiring, the simple answer: it depends. There is a nursing shortage, and even so there are nursing school graduates who can't get a job. Baggage, crappy interviews, whatever. But they are toxic. I would imagine that's true in any field, be it ditch-digging or STEM, there will be people who take longer to get jobs because they have bad breath and are a close talker in an interview.

Originally Posted by chuckman

With regard to hiring/not hiring, the simple answer: it depends. There is a nursing shortage, and even so there are nursing school graduates who can't get a job. Baggage, crappy interviews, whatever. But they are toxic. I would imagine that's true in any field, be it ditch-digging or STEM, there will be people who take longer to get jobs because they have bad breath and are a close talker in an interview.

If you've ever conducted an interview you will see this.
Wear a suit and a tie, conduct yourself like a Lady or a Gentleman, be brief and honest and let your skills and education speak for you.
A breath mint doesn't hurt either.
If you spent six years getting a degree in under water basket weaving and want to B*tch about not being able to find a job? If you spent part of your Student Loan money on Spring Vacation, or if you can't commit to a budget when you make little money, not my problem.

Originally Posted by scottryan

Students graduating college cannot find jobs

Record amount of student loan debt.

Record amount of personal debt

Wage stagnation for 15 years

Lowest home ownership rate since WW2

In the 1970s the average home was 2x the prevailing wage, now it is 4x

Why do you think this is? Nobody has any money. Bringing more people here to take away jobs makes this worse, not better.

Why should an American student getting a computer sciences job have to compete against a green card holder from India ?

No but you see we NEED more here . . . Democrats say so.

Then there is this . . .

Originally Posted by Averageman

If you've ever conducted an interview you will see this.
Wear a suit and a tie, conduct yourself like a Lady or a Gentleman, be brief and honest and let your skills and education speak for you.
A breath mint doesn't hurt either.
If you spent six years getting a degree in under water basket weaving and want to B*tch about not being able to find a job? If you spent part of your Student Loan money on Spring Vacation, or if you can't commit to a budget when you make little money, not my problem.

I suspect an applicant refusing a crappy job counts as "not being able to get a job" too.

When I graduated college, I couldn't believe the crap I was offered. I majored in business which I thought was one notch below engineering or computer science. I got offered several jobs, for sure, but they were obviously high stress/low pay jobs that big companies thought they could foist on recent graduates who don't know anything about the real world. One was as a manger-trainee for Kmart. I luckily knew someone who had taken that job before me, and it turned out the people hired were cannon fodder: cheap labor for a crap job and the turnover was huge. Probably the only benefit of taking a job like that is that it gets you street smart and some real-world experience real fast. I knew a lady that actually became either a manager or assistant manager (I forget which) for Wal-Mart. She worked 80+ hours per week. Her "salary" divided out to be less than minimum wage when you did the math. She actually spend the night and slept in the employee lounge on many occasions due to her work load. Yet when she was first offered the job just before graduation she went around bragging to all of us that she had been hired as a manager trainee for Wal-Mart making big bucks. This was when Sam Walton was still alive in the 1980's so it could have drastically changed by now, but I seriously doubt it's changed that much.