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    for my 1st form 1, i went "old school". i got my prints and sign off at the township building and photos across the street at walgreens. it was only a mild PITA. originally went to county sheriff who redirected me without a reason. after a stern 5 minute questioning the CLEO signed it -incorrectly. it did cost me $8 for the photos and $10 plus a lecture for getting printed without an appointment for the prints. oh yes and the extra week wait and trip to the township to get the signoff corrected. the folks in WV were very nice with the initial rejection and left me the contact info for a person to "fastrack" it . now after writing all that i guess it was a pain....am glad i went with the trust for the lastest project

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    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    What "questionable circumstances"?
    Edited- Keeping the thread on topic.
    Aimpoint M4S- Because your next Aimpoint battery hasn't been made yet.

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    this thread has now officially gone bARFCOM on us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_saan View Post
    this thread has now officially gone bARFCOM on us...
    You're right. My comments are driving this gentlemans thread off track, my replies have been edited.
    Aimpoint M4S- Because your next Aimpoint battery hasn't been made yet.

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    should I send a copy of the Trust document in with the form 1?

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    You have to send a complete copy of the Trust including the property schedule.Remember to update your property schedule whenever you add an item to the Trust.I normally do not add the NFA firearm to the property schedule until I receive the stamp.I believe you can do it either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigthunder223 View Post
    You have to send a complete copy of the Trust including the property schedule.Remember to update your property schedule whenever you add an item to the Trust.I normally do not add the NFA firearm to the property schedule until I receive the stamp.I believe you can do it either way.
    One more question then. On the property schedule, does it have to be specific, i.e. model serial # of SBR or can it be more general (as I was planning) and say "Firearms and Accessories Regulated under the NFA (National Firearms Act)"

    Thanks for all the help fellas

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    it has to be specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiqua View Post
    it has to be specific.
    Thanks...by specific, do I put the model # and serial # and orignal manufacture (in this case Rock River Arms)?

    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigthunder223 View Post
    Place the name of the trust, as it appears on the trust document,on the form one.
    You do not have to engrave your NFA weapons.Some people prefer to do this.However,it is not required by law.The weapon is identified by the serial number.
    I've read the actual Federal law that says you're wrong. It's on the web, in plain English, and couldn't be more clear on the subject.

    You're free to do as you wish, but giving out advice telling people to build contraband NFA weapons (which is what improperly made NFA weapons are considered: contraband) isn't helping anyone.

    See the following:

    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...cfr479.102.htm

    (You'll note that this is a website of the Federal government.)

    PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents

    Subpart G--Registration and Identification of Firearms

    Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified?

    (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must
    legibly identify the firearm as follows:

    [...snip...]

    (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise
    conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped
    (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain
    additional information.
    This information must be placed in a manner not
    susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For
    firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,
    the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information
    must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information
    includes:
    (i) The model, if such designation has been made;
    (ii) The caliber or gauge;
    (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when
    applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker
    ;
    (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State
    (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer
    maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the
    firearm; and


    There it is, in the Federal Regulations, in black, er, red and white.

    A Form 1 is an application to make and register an NFA firearm.

    The term make is defined in that section as follows:

    Make. This term and the various derivatives thereof shall include manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage in such business under this part), putting together, altering, any combination of these, or otherwise producing a firearm.


    In other words, licensed FFL/SOT's manufacture NFA firearms, while unlicensed individuals make them via the Form 1 process.

    If your NFA weapon isn't engraved, it has not been made in accordance with Federal Law and it is, therefore, contraband that is subject to forfeiture and opens you up to possible prosecution.

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