Eotech still a no-go or?

[GarandShooter]

Just picked up a brand new Colt LE6920, and am looking for a nice CQB Optic since I already have a designated 500+ yd rifle.
Really like the eotech, have used them on many rifles. Just never owned one.

I know there's a big lawsuit, something about loss of zero during extreme temperatures. Did I understand that right?

I guess my question is, as a civilian, especially in South Texas, is it a big enough concern to warrant not purchasing one?

[RobertTheTexan]

At first I was like....is this guy kidding? The I realized you were being serious. I say that because there are probably 100's of threads about this and other issues with EOTech. I would suggest read those and coming to your own conclusion. Ultimately, you need to get what is best for you.

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Just picked up a brand new Colt LE6920, and am looking for a nice CQB Optic since I already have a designated 500+ yd rifle.
Really like the eotech, have used them on many rifles. Just never owned one.

I know there's a big lawsuit, something about loss of zero during extreme temperatures. Did I understand that right?

I guess my question is, as a civilian, especially in South Texas, is it a big enough concern to warrant not purchasing one?

Not trying to give you a snappy response, but this subject has been literally beat to death. That horse ain't gettin' up chief.

But since I can't sleep tonight I'll regurgitate a little more. The HWS drift issue was just one of the problems reported with EOTech. Reported I would add by guys using the optic in the SOPMOD program, meaning SOF guys. There was also the battery/battery compartment issue. Camps are pretty established regarding EOTech. There have been some well known Tier 1 guys who wouldn't spend someone else's money on an EOTech because of the issues, and also because L3 tried to hide and cover it up. There are a few who still would use one. I would recommend searching the forum. Read the threads and come to your own conclusion. Besides the issues I've already mentioned, there are plenty who don't like the battery life. That don't like the auto-shut off feature that consequently means that before using it, you will have to turn it on. Still there are guys out there that use them and they have bona fides. I would tell you that those that do probably have other optics on their battle rifle other than EOTech. An ACOG or an Aimpoint or an LPV optic. I have a couple of EOTechs. EXPS3's. I really like the reticle and I haven't experienced the drifting failure on mine, and my model doesn't have the battery issues which has supposedly been resolved. (That was more on the 553/512 style with batteries inline with recoil.)
That said, my latest build, which has been designated my "go-to" rifle, at this moment has a CompM4 mounted on top that I am giving a go with. Not that I don't like my other optics, but I like having redundancy. Not necessarily redundancy by brand but redundancy in purpose. And I like it. I like the 8 +/- year battery life. I like that I won't have to turn it on to use it. But I'm not ready to get rid of the EOTechs. That was the decision I made on how I would spend my money and equip my CQ AR. I also chose not to jump on the refund wagon. Again my decision, with my own guns and gear. That's why I'm saying that in the end, you'll have to come to your own conclusion and decision.



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[HCM]

My Agency issued EO-Techs for 10 years, mostly 552's with a few XPS 03's. I don't recommend them but if you must have one, the XPS is superior to the older dual battery models.

If you want a quality sight with a Circle dot reticle take a look at the Vortex AH-1 and the SIG Romeo 4 M.

The AH-1 is brand new.

The Romeo 4M has been tested by Fed LE. It is the new issue optic for the FBI, replacing the Aimpoints H2, and approved for use on personally owned agency approved duty rifles. It is also approved for duty use by CBP / USBP via local office purchase.

[wahoo95]

Aren't the Sig Romeo optics made by Holosun?

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[Ryno12]

Just picked up a brand new Colt LE6920, and am looking for a nice CQB Optic since I already have a designated 500+ yd rifle.
Really like the eotech, have used them on many rifles. Just never owned one.

I know there's a big lawsuit, something about loss of zero during extreme temperatures. Did I understand that right?

I guess my question is, as a civilian, especially in South Texas, is it a big enough concern to warrant not purchasing one?

I'd say no, it wouldn't be a concern.

I've owned 3 Eotechs, two EXPS & an XPS. The temps where I live vary throughout the year from roughly -10° to 90°+ and I've never noticed a significant shift for my type of shooting. Remember, it's an RDS, not a long distance precision scope.

A bigger issue with the Eotech, in my opinion, is reticle fade.

[RobertTheTexan]

I'd say no, it wouldn't be a concern.

A bigger issue with the Eotech, in my opinion, is reticle fade.

Hey Ryno, are you noticing fade at a certain optic age or is not not associated with age?


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My Agency issued EO-Techs for 10 years, mostly 552's with a few XPS 03's. I don't recommend them but if you must have one, the XPS is superior to the older dual battery models.

If you want a quality sight with a Circle dot reticle take a look at the Vortex AH-1 and the SIG Romeo 4 M.

The AH-1 is brand new.

The Romeo 4M has been tested by Fed LE. It is the new issue optic for the FBI, replacing the Aimpoints H2, and approved for use on personally owned agency approved duty rifles. It is also approved for duty use by CBP / USBP via local office purchase.

I've been in the IT world since I got out and if I've leaned one thing it's that unless there is a huge business/competitive advantage, I stay off the bleeding edge of technology. lol
I think I'd let somebody else work out the UH-1 issues and bugs before I make that purchase.
Question for you on the the Sig Romeo. Do you know how long Fed agencies have been testing/using this optic?


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[jpgm]

I have not seen any public indication Eotech has redesigned or fixed the issues plaguing them.

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[El Cid]

Even if EOTechs worked perfectly I wouldn't give them a dime on principle. They lied and covered up their issues. That alone is enough for me to write them off. Knowing they willingly jeopardized the lives of mil/LE - i find it inexcusable.

[mballz23]

At first I was like....is this guy kidding? The I realized you were being serious. I say that because there are probably 100's of threads about this and other issues with EOTech. I would suggest read those and coming to your own conclusion. Ultimately, you need to get what is best for you.

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Not trying to give you a snappy response, but this subject has been literally beat to death. That horse ain't gettin' up chief.

But since I can't sleep tonight I'll regurgitate a little more. The HWS drift issue was just one of the problems reported with EOTech. Reported I would add by guys using the optic in the SOPMOD program, meaning SOF guys. There was also the battery/battery compartment issue. Camps are pretty established regarding EOTech. There have been some well known Tier 1 guys who wouldn't spend someone else's money on an EOTech because of the issues, and also because L3 tried to hide and cover it up. There are a few who still would use one. I would recommend searching the forum. Read the threads and come to your own conclusion. Besides the issues I've already mentioned, there are plenty who don't like the battery life. That don't like the auto-shut off feature that consequently means that before using it, you will have to turn it on. Still there are guys out there that use them and they have bona fides. I would tell you that those that do probably have other optics on their battle rifle other than EOTech. An ACOG or an Aimpoint or an LPV optic. I have a couple of EOTechs. EXPS3's. I really like the reticle and I haven't experienced the drifting failure on mine, and my model doesn't have the battery issues which has supposedly been resolved. (That was more on the 553/512 style with batteries inline with recoil.)
That said, my latest build, which has been designated my "go-to" rifle, at this moment has a CompM4 mounted on top that I am giving a go with. Not that I don't like my other optics, but I like having redundancy. Not necessarily redundancy by brand but redundancy in purpose. And I like it. I like the 8 +/- year battery life. I like that I won't have to turn it on to use it. But I'm not ready to get rid of the EOTechs. That was the decision I made on how I would spend my money and equip my CQ AR. I also chose not to jump on the refund wagon. Again my decision, with my own guns and gear. That's why I'm saying that in the end, you'll have to come to your own conclusion and decision.



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^this. Make your own conclusion based on the known facts. However my personal opinion is unless you're building a clone correct rifle, i.e. Block 2, there's obvious better options in the optic world that are proven without issues. Boring reliability is more important than looks on a "go to" rifle, and to beat a dead horse, aimpoint is sticking out probably to all of us.

Also going to agree with Robert on a follow up post on the stay away from the newest greatest thing until things are hashed out, i.e. Vortex UH-1. Granted I didn't really do that with my LPVO but I went based off name and, most importantly, my own drawn conclusions on the optic.

Good luck,
Matt


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[Ryno12]

Hey Ryno, are you noticing fade at a certain optic age or is not not associated with age?

I didn't really notice any correlation with age. One EXPS purchase in 2012 doesn't have any fade at all. Another one purchased in 2014 had it bad around the perimeter after only a few months of use. That one was returned for a refund.
I have an XPS on my HD rifle (circa 2012) that is starting to fade in the center. I'll send that one back for repair.