"I thought he was KGB from Russia!"
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I agree. But I think that a lot of people are assuming that Flynn's conversation was leaked by "the intelligence community" while conveniently forgetting that Trump's own WH staff might have been the culprit. There are undisputed reports that President Trump was told by acting AG Yates (at the urging of Clapper and Brennan) back in January that Flynn was not being honest with his description of the conversations with the Russian Ambassador. That was BEFORE the public became aware of this mess and means that the WH senior staff was another population with the knowledge of Flynn's conversation.
Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.9f373db46bac
There are also reports that Flynn had enemies within the Trump Administration. Thus, it is very possible (perhaps likely?) that Flynn was outed by someone within the WH either intentionally or inadvertently, and nobody at the CIA, NSA, or DOJ is to blame. That would mean that Trump is not a Manchurian candidate, his crib is not bugged, our intelligence agencies are actually doing their jobs, and all this noise is just food for conspiracy theorists.Last edited by Sensei; 03-08-17 at 11:16.
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My understanding of this though is that yes they can listen in, but when a known U.S. Citizen comes on the line the recording has to stop. If Flynn was recorded, the recording was not legal and certainly leaking the contents, or that there ever was a conversation was not legal either. Originally Posted by Sensei
If I am correct (I do not have a perfect knowledge of the legality) then this was over the line. If the aforementioned Secret Service agent is correct in his assumption and the conversations Flynn had were inside Trump Towers, even if the bug wasn't physically located there, by proxy they were being bugged in Trump Towers.
That Hillary had mentioned Trump was being bugged and that these conversations have been leaked leads me to believe something certainly isn't on the up and up legally.
Would Trump go bat guano crazy? Certainly he would and with good reason. His Administration has been left a minefield to traverse and as they traverse it his cabinet is being delayed. Are the two issues related?
It would certainly explain what is going on.
It would explain everything except the leaks wouldn't it? Originally Posted by Sensei
No doubt Flynn had enemies in the IC, but would someone inside the (then, very small) Cabinet be willing to take such actions against Flynn and by proxy Trump?Last edited by Averageman; 03-08-17 at 11:15.
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You mean the teliscreen, double speak and the Ministry of Information! It's 1984! Originally Posted by Outlander Systems
"Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree
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Exactly. If an Obama holdover attorney came into your office and said "An anonymous/undisclosed source told us that LtG Flynn is lying to you about his conversations with the Russian Ambassador", what would you say? Originally Posted by Averageman
OTOH, if the attorney came in and said "We have evidence that LtG Flynn is lying to you about conversing with the Russian Ambassador", might your reaction be a bit different?What if this whole crusade's a charade?
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Those are some logical choices, and of course I would take #2 in that scenario, but when the story skips your office and you read about it in the morning paper, then someone needs to go to jail. Originally Posted by glocktogo
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Originally Posted by Averageman
You really think they worry about what's legal?
I'm thinking now that they used the "car assassination" technique to try to get at Putin and his limo driver bought it instead.
Literally, NOTHING is taboo to this bunch.
We are all in grave danger, especially Trump.
You know that if their power is threatened they will use ANY means to hold onto it.
I know I may be starting to sound like Alex Jones, but if the intelligence community really thought it was in danger of losing its power do you think it wouldn't create a false flag? I can see something like a backpack nuke destroying a city just so they could say, "See, you NEED us. Better let us run things." -
Man, Linda Fiorentino was so hot in those days!
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I believe you are incorrect about the recordings. Under FISA, information lacking foreign intelligence value must be minimized or masked in the transcript. That includes the names of U.S. citizens who are picked up speaking to the target unless their identities are relevant to understanding the foreign intelligence. There is no requirement that recordings stop. Originally Posted by Averageman
If an agent is trying to figure out a foreign target’s network, conversations that might appear innocuous at first are still more likely to be considered relevant. Thus the minimization rules for national-security wiretaps are more lenient than those for criminal wiretaps because spies typically use more sophisticated to evade surveillance. I suspect that the recordings of Flynn were legit and by the book. I also suspect that Flynn said nothing inappropriate. The foul came when he "misremembered" to Trump and Pence which made the VP look bad.
We already know that Trump's WH is prone to leaks and could only come from a narrow group of senior advisors. The call with the Auzie PM Turnbull is a prime example. Thus, I not ready to dismiss the WH staff as the source of the Flynn leak.Last edited by Sensei; 03-08-17 at 13:19.
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To which bunch?
The Secret Police or the Secret Court?
Originally Posted by Doc Glockster
