Obama Admin wiretapping Trump?

Originally Posted by Outlander Systems

To which bunch?

The Secret Police or the Secret Court?

YES. Uh-huh. Them.

Originally Posted by Sensei

I believe you are incorrect about the recordings. Under FISA, information lacking foreign intelligence value must be minimized or masked in the transcript. That includes the names of U.S. citizens who are picked up speaking to the target unless their identities are relevant to understanding the foreign intelligence. There is no requirement that recordings stop.

If an agent is trying to figure out a foreign target’s network, conversations that might appear innocuous at first are still more likely to be considered relevant. Thus the minimization rules for national-security wiretaps are more lenient than those for criminal wiretaps because spies typically use more sophisticated to evade surveillance. I suspect that the recordings of Flynn were legit and by the book. I also suspect that Flynn said nothing inappropriate. The foul came when he "misremembered" to Trump and Pence which made the VP look bad.

We already know that Trump's WH is prone to leaks and could only come from a narrow group of senior advisors. The call with the Auzie PM Turnbull is a prime example. Thus, I not ready to dismiss the WH staff as the source of the Flynn leak.

What would a Trump loyalist insider gain with the Auzie release? That smelled more like an underling staffer that had access than anything. cui bono

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

What would a Trump loyalist insider gain with the Auzie release? That smelled more like an underling staffer that had access than anything. cui bono

With the wiki release of CIA data outlining the ease-dropping of everyone practices, safe to say that Trump Tower was "wire tapped" in a way. I'm sure none of the conversations in Trump Tower made it back to obama or hilliary...

The contractor told Fox News that CCI has long maintained an internal database of information -- accessible to anyone with proper credentials or security clearance -- that seemed to be dumped in total to WikiLeaks. In its news release on the disclosure, WikiLeaks said CCI had more than 5,000 registered users, a number alternatively referred to as “absurd” and “a bit high” by security experts who spoke to Fox News. The CIA declined comment to Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/08...mole-hunt.html

Is Comey still waiting for a denial?
Kind of funny how that's working for him...

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

What would a Trump loyalist insider gain with the Auzie release? That smelled more like an underling staffer that had access than anything. cui bono

How? There were no underlings or staffers in the room during the conversation:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.daily...-Turnbull.html

There are all kinds of reasons why senior staffers leak stuff. Some think it was Bannon; others may disagree.

However, my larger point is that nobody has evidence of shit. Nobody has evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. Nobody has evidence that Russia "hacked" the election. Nobody has evidence that it was our intelligence apparatus which leaked Flynn's conversation. And finally, nobody has evidence that our intelligence apparatus is spying on Trump.

So, when there is no evidence despite everyone looking, that means it probably didn't happen - none of it. That would mean that we have 17 pages of wasted bandwidth. As Trump would say, Sad!

Originally Posted by Averageman

Is Comey still waiting for a denial?
Kind of funny how that's working for him...

Perhaps he's searching the dresses in his closet for a denial?

Originally Posted by glocktogo

Perhaps he's searching the dresses in his closet for a denial?

He's taller than Eddie was and those dresses would be out of fashion.

"The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."

Originally Posted by Doc Glockster

YES. Uh-huh. Them.

Originally Posted by Outlander Systems

"The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."

And don't forget the most important mantra that we all may as well start chanting: "We are the dead."

Orwell was a prophet.