Obama Admin wiretapping Trump?

Originally Posted by skywalkrNCSU

So Trump came out with his source for his claim of Obama wire tapping his phones. He saw someone talking about it on Fox News.

Someone change the password to his Twitter account.

I believe it was the New York Times that they had a FISA warrant was requested in June and denied then in October which was granted.

You can do a search on it yourself.


7n6

Originally Posted by 7n6

I believe it was the New York Times that they had a FISA warrant was requested in June and denied then in October which was granted.

You can do a search on it yourself.


7n6

There is no evidence that Trump was wiretapped by Obama. Trump got this idea from Fox News and then tweeted it. That is not a joke. Let me repeat, Trump got the idea that Obama wiretapped him from watching Fox News and tweeted it. That is absurd.

So all the media is so on-board reporting that Trump was wrong about Obama wiretapping him, people are failing to appreciate that he was in fact being wiretapped.

I think if he wanted to get ahead of it Trump could just as well say "Mea culpa, I was wrong about Obama wiretapping me, but it was his administration that did it instead."

We are all wiretapped.

This isn't breaking ****ing news.

I happened to talk to my business partner and former Fed Attorney that dealt in these matters yesterday.

He said the following supports surveilance of Trumps organization prior to the election.

1. FISA warrant was issued for such surveillance

2. Flynn was caught having contacts with people he should have had

3. The information on Flynn was leaked

4. Info on Paul Manafort was leaked info that came from electronic surveillance

He further stated that Comey testimony was total double speak.

My attorney concludes based on his 10 years working at the top of the federal food chain, that the following was probably what has occurred.

1. Obama and/or people very high up in his administration ordered DOJ to engage in surveillance of people around Trump and maybe even Trump himself.

2. This was in fact acted on due to 2 request to FISA for warrants one denied and one granted

3. That people in the administration did in fact leak information gathered for political benefit of the Democratic party.

4. That nobody will ever be prosecuted much less go to jail.

That based on his 18 months of service during the Obama administration he had been asked to violate the Constitution and the law on more than one occasion, for what were clearly political motives. He then left government service and entered into private practice.

Full disclosure we were friends before we became business partners and when I did my due diligence on him, it was reported to me by several independent sources in his special area of practice he is viewed as being 1 of the top 3 lawyers in the whole country.

So in closing my problem with this is 3 fold.

1. The depth of corruption is beyond belief.
2. Trump doesn't really understand how hated he is and his tweet on this subject even though true is being used to make him look a fool.
3. The Dems will use this as a foundation to build on for impeachment if they take control of the house and senate any time during Trumps 4 to 8 years

Side note Republicans aint worth a cup of warm piss, when it comes to bare knuckle political fighting.

I would agree with all of the above.
If Trump "knows" he was being taped it is because he was present when a private conversation occurred in his residence and later that conversation was leaked to the Press.
I think Flynn and Trump were in a room and had someone on a phone line when conversation this took place.
The third party in this conversation was likely Russian and was unaware that Trump was listening in while Flynn and the Russian talked.

Originally Posted by Outlander Systems

We are all wiretapped.

This isn't breaking ****ing news.

While I tend to agree with this statement, I draw the line at releasing classified information to make political points. Which IMO is the big issue here. Someone with enough oomph to unmask a US citizens name from an intercept allowed that info out to the media. That is wrong and illegal. It brings into question the whole FISA process and brings to light the nefarious nature of political beasts.

They monitor everything with the guarantee that they won't air your private info for personal or political gain. Yet someone just broke that trust. Similar to the whole IRS targeting of conservatives or Hoover building blackmail files... Where is the trust? Gone.

For just a split second take the Never Trump, Obama Sux, MAGA Hope and Change glasses off and think as a US Citizen.

People in seats of power are blatantly violating your trust and the trust of the world. How can America function in today's world when there can be no trust. Whether it's Trump negotiating a wall contract or Obama discussing how to solve global warming is irrelevant. How does anyone do businesses with us if they KNOW that anyone with a personal or political agenda can screw them over in a heartbeat? For there to be cooperation there needs to be trust. Without trust there is no cooperation. What happens when ego maniacs with large armies start to feel like people are out to get them. Historically it's not good things.

Stop focusing on the magicians hit apprentice or flapping left hand and look beyond them to the bigger picture.

Originally Posted by Outlander Systems

We are all wiretapped.

This isn't breaking ****ing news.

Yep. The day you created an email account is the day you were digitally "born" so to speak.

Gospel.

Any soft power we had is shit-on-toast.

Your reputation is something you can only afford to lose once...

Originally Posted by TAZ

People in seats of power are blatantly violating your trust and the trust of the world. How can America function in today's world when there can be no trust. Whether it's Trump negotiating a wall contract or Obama discussing how to solve global warming is irrelevant. How does anyone do businesses with us if they KNOW that anyone with a personal or political agenda can screw them over in a heartbeat?

Indeed. If you want to go old-school, you could say that any time you picked up a phone (ECHELON), or used an air-gapped computer (TEMPEST) you were feeding data into "The Machine" as well.

Originally Posted by Big A

Yep. The day you created an email account is the day you were digitally "born" so to speak.