Obama Admin wiretapping Trump?

Originally Posted by Doc Glockster

Okay, so Trump made an honest mistake. Who wouldn't think the surveillance was deliberate given all the other different ways Trump's opposition has threatened to impeach, imprison, or otherwise ruin him?

Frankly, the man has the patience of a saint. If it were me I think I'd be using my billions to hire people to make sure some of these enemies shut their effing mouths under threat of something more than what nice people talk about.

Listen, I was probably wrong about Trump about a year ago. The guy is doing some great stuff on the budget and SCOTUS. But, some of the shit he says goes beyond honest mistakes and trying to excuse it only makes us appear intellectually dishonest. The man needs to stop saying and tweeting outlandish stuff, get his administration in order, and start focusing on healthcare and tax reform.

Originally Posted by Sensei

Trump's March 4th Tweet accused Obama of spying on him deliberately and for some nefarious purpose. That is called targeted surveillance and would be illegal as shit if done as Trump alleged; hence his comparisons to McCarthyism and Nixon. Nunes came out and said that the Trump transition members were surveilled legally and incidentally which means they were recorded because the Feds were targeting other people for surveillance. That can happen to anyone and has probably happened to you. For example, if you order a pizza from a D.C. cafe that is under surveillance for pimping kids - congratulations, you were incidentally recorded. It doesn't mean that you were targeted.

Unless I'm mistaken, Nunes never claimed that Trump or his associates were targeted by federal investigators for who they were. They ended up on tape because the people who they were talking to were targets of US intelligence.

The only place that I'm seeing Trump being vindicated is were Nunes noted that the intelligence community was not adequately masking members of his team. That can be a real problem IF the leaks about Flynn came from the intelligence community. So far, Comey has denied that the leaks came from him and will not even admit that a felony occurred in the handling of Flynn's SIGINTL. Finally, I'm still waiting to Trump to start holding some people's feet to the fire if he has the evidence that he claims to have.

Actually, there is something coming out today about some malware that was purposely placed likely by the former administration on a computer server in Trump tower that was communicating with Russian Alfa Bank held computers in order to mimic some type of backdoor communication. It was then this "communication" that would allow the DOJ to "legally" obtain a FISA warrant and avoid looking like they were targeting Trump specifically.



"Appearing on One America News Network Tuesday, Washington Free Beacon writer Adam Kredo dropped a timely reminder that fake evidence was likely planted on servers at Trump tower to make it appear that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russian entities."

https://www.infowars.com/reminder-do...ies-to-russia/



"A Russian bank has reported to U.S. authorities that mysterious communications resumed recently between one of its computers and an email server tied to President Trump’s business empire, and it has developed evidence the new activity may be the work of a hacker trying to create a political hoax, Circa has learned."

http://circa.com/politics/alfa-bank-...en-hacker-hoax



7n6

Originally Posted by Sensei

Listen, I was probably wrong about Trump about a year ago. The guy is doing some great stuff on the budget and SCOTUS. But, some of the shit he says goes beyond honest mistakes and trying to excuse it only makes us appear intellectually dishonest. The man needs to stop saying and tweeting outlandish stuff, get his administration in order, and start focusing on healthcare and tax reform.

Okay, I'll grant you. The man speaks before his brain is engaged at times. Big Deal. If HRC were president we'd all be talking about what she's going to do to US instead of what her enemies are doing to HER. Translation: we are 100% winning and I wish people would quit their wet-diaper whining over every little thing that means Trump ain't perfect.

No wonder people of quality don't run for president.

Originally Posted by 7n6

Actually, there is something coming out today about some malware that was purposely placed likely by the DOJ on a computer in Trump tower that was communicating with Russian Alfa Bank held computers in order to mimic some type of backdoor communication. It was then this "communication" that would allow the DOJ to "legally" obtain a FISA warrant and avoid looking like they were targeting Trump specifically.



"Appearing on One America News Network Tuesday, Washington Free Beacon writer Adam Kredo dropped a timely reminder that fake evidence was likely planted on servers at Trump tower to make it appear that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russian entities."

https://www.infowars.com/reminder-do...ies-to-russia/



"A Russian bank has reported to U.S. authorities that mysterious communications resumed recently between one of its computers and an email server tied to President Trump’s business empire, and it has developed evidence the new activity may be the work of a hacker trying to create a political hoax, Circa has learned."

http://circa.com/politics/alfa-bank-...en-hacker-hoax

Rick Wiles on TruNews.com was talking about this.

Clearly, they were trying to frame Trump as doing something with the Russians that would lead to impeachment. It's clever and diabolical, but not so clever that they didn't get caught. Luckily we live in an age where you can't just manipulate things electronically without it potentially biting you in the ass.

If Trump doesn't locate and fire/prosecute everyone involved then this will never relent while he is in office.

Originally Posted by Doc Glockster

Rick Wiles on TruNews.com was talking about this.

Clearly, they were trying to frame Trump as doing something with the Russians that would lead to impeachment. It's clever and diabolical, but not so clever that they didn't get caught. Luckily we live in an age where you can't just manipulate things electronically without it potentially biting you in the ass.

If Trump doesn't locate and fire/prosecute everyone involved then this will never relent while he is in office.

Notice also, the second link trying to spin this as a random hacker to take away any implication that this had anything to do with the previous administration- this is state level corruption at the highest levels.


7n6

Anyone care to place a bet that;
1) They have called all of this off and the entire IC has been told to back off and stop all gathering of intelligence ?
Or
2) We are still having some of our IC actively engaged in gathering intelligence on the POTUS, his cabinet and their Staff?

I'm willing to bet on #2.
I agree, President Trump needs to personally take action at this point, heads have to roll, jobs have to be lost, careers ended and sentences for doing this need to be long and hard and served in General Population.
Edit to add;
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-im-right.html

“The real story here is, who released General Flynn’s name? Who released, who released my conversations with Australia, and who released my conversation with Mexico?” Trump told Time during an interview that occurred Wednesday. “…That’s the story. These leakers, they are disgusting. These are horrible people.”

He added: “And these people were here in the Obama years, because he had plenty of leakers, also.”

Trump appeared content that his claims had been supported by Nunes’ news conference, and he suggested additional information could emerge.

“And a lot of information has just been learned, and a lot of information may be learned over the next coming period of time. We will see what happens,” Trump said. “Look, I predicted a lot of things that took a little bit of time.”

IC BTFO

Originally Posted by Sensei

For example, if you order a pizza from a D.C. cafe that is under surveillance for pimping kids - congratulations, you were incidentally recorded. It doesn't mean that you were targeted.

In this example I would not expect the name to be unmasked or for it to be "widely disseminated".

So I'm left with three explanations for Trump surveillance.
1) It is unusual and indicative of targeting through "incidental" means.
2) The IC is so incompetent this is just a random example of how poorly they protect US persons by masking incidental surveillance.
3) All the assurances of protections from a surveillance state are just complete BS and we are all being "wiretapped" all the time.

I'm not OK with any of the options above and it puts me at a maybe for Trump being right. The real issue is the FISA warrants to me. If that report is correct then Trump was right. Still waiting on someone to refute that story.

Originally Posted by Sensei

The only place that I'm seeing Trump being vindicated is were Nunes noted that the intelligence community was not adequately masking members of his team.

The problem here is that the IC claims it works the other way around. That masking is done automatically and unmasking is only done rarely if necessary for the intel.

Very relevant article;
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-claims-236415
In brief, the Intelligence Committee is aghast that Nunes took this to Trump without consulting them first.
House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes apologized to members of his panel Thursday for not informing Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat, before going public with allegations that Trump transition messages were inadvertently intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies.
Nunes was asked if the information he alluded to Wednesday came from the White House. Nunes stressed that “we have to keep our sources and methods here very, very quiet” and defended his “judgment call” to brief the president while other committee members were left in the dark, despite Trump and his associates being part of the focus of multiple investigations.
“The president didn’t invite me over. I called down there and invited myself because I thought he needed to understand what I saw and that he needed to try to get that information because he has every right to see it,” Nunes told reporters.
Nunes has severely pissed off each and every Democrat on the committee, look at thes quotes.
Committee member Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) said she believed Nunes' accusations on Wednesday had been directed by the White House.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday called Nunes a "stooge for the president of the United States."
"I think he's demonstrated very clearly that there is no way there can be an impartial investigation under his leadership on that committee," Pelosi said. "It speaks very clearly to the need for an outside independent commission."
Committee member Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), who also called for a special commission to lead the investigation, said Nunes “betrayed the independence of our work” and owes the panel and the American people an apology for — and evidence of — his “stunt.”
“If this is an issue of whether the unmasking of incidentally collected information was done properly, that’s something that the committee investigates,” Schiff said. “It’s not something to be taken to the White House and discussed in a press conference on the White House lawn. You know, the chairman’s not Sean Spicer.”
So Nunes either screwed the pooch by not using protocol or has a reason for doing so.

BTW;
Perhaps Trump knew he was being bugged when the content of his conversations; ie
“The real story here is, who released General Flynn’s name? Who released, who released my conversations with Australia, and who released my conversation with Mexico?” Trump told Time during an interview that occurred Wednesday. “…That’s the story. These leakers, they are disgusting. These are horrible people.”
Were leaked, makes sense...

Originally Posted by Todd.K

In this example I would not expect the name to be unmasked or for it to be "widely disseminated".

So I'm left with three explanations for Trump surveillance.
1) It is unusual and indicative of targeting through "incidental" means.
2) The IC is so incompetent this is just a random example of how poorly they protect US persons by masking incidental surveillance.
3) All the assurances of protections from a surveillance state are just complete BS and we are all being "wiretapped" all the time.

I'm not OK with any of the options above and it puts me at a maybe for Trump being right. The real issue is the FISA warrants to me. If that report is correct then Trump was right. Still waiting on someone to refute that story.


The problem here is that the IC claims it works the other way around. That masking is done automatically and unmasking is only done rarely if necessary for the intel.

If you have any digital footprint whatsoever (which you obviously do) every bit of data you generate is being collected and can be reviewed at anytime if the powers that be decide you are someone they should look at.