Obama Admin wiretapping Trump?

Originally Posted by ABNAK

"As long as it was done in good faith".......

It's just so hard to try and apply that to the unmasking. We have been told that masking is done automatically, and only for specific reasons and very rarely unmasked.

Originally Posted by Todd.K

It's just so hard to try and apply that to the unmasking. We have been told that masking is done automatically, and only for specific reasons and very rarely unmasked.

The Key here would be the chain of events, FISA Warrant, Collection, repeated collection and then the unmasking and leaking of the conversation to the Press.
If it was collected as a part of targeting someone else, why do you continue to collect when you know who's on the other end of the line? Flynn would be a perfect example, after so many times those collecting the data knew who was on the line. At what point was that conversation considered untouchable by the Intelligence community as it didn't directly pertain to the original warrants intent and it was a US Citizen on the other end of the line with constitutional guarantees ?
This however says NOTHING to the release of this information to the Media in order to undermine the other Presidential Administration coming in to power.
Intent might have been impossible to prove had that information not been given to media outlets to disseminate, once it did the intent was clear.

the idea the info was gathered in good faith and then used for other reasons


remember that lic plate reader thread
the idea of having to fill out info for various fire arm things ! again you think that is not all databased and ready if not already being used in other ways

Remember Obama saying "The 1980's want your foreign policy back."?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOqr-4ovDk
Nunes on the "No Spin Zone." Nunes is claiming what he saw, the conversations that were recorded had Nothing to do with Russia.
Now the Democrats want Nunes out of the investigation.

CNN;

The NSN and the FBI have information Nunes wants cooperation. The FBI never has, the NSA has, that seems to be ending or changing. Now if what Nunes is saying is correct the IC has picked up conversations that would have little to do with the original FISA warrant.

Originally Posted by Todd.K

It's just so hard to try and apply that to the unmasking. We have been told that masking is done automatically, and only for specific reasons and very rarely unmasked.

I was being facetious. It's what I've read about judges ruling on evidence garnered in, uh, unsavory or otherwise unallowable ways.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

I was being facetious. It's what I've read about judges ruling on evidence garnered in, uh, unsavory or otherwise unallowable ways.

Well if Nunes is right the information gathered had little if anything to do with a FISA warrant and that information needs to be looked at closely.
I find it ironic that here we have a clear set of felonies and the Democrats complain that Nunes told the POTUS that he was being hacked/recorded/spied upon. Should they IC be held to no accountability?

Originally Posted by Averageman

Well if Nunes is right the information gathered had little if anything to do with a FISA warrant and that information needs to be looked at closely.
I find it ironic that here we have a clear set of felonies and the Democrats complain that Nunes told the POTUS that he was being hacked/recorded/spied upon. Should they IC be held to no accountability?

The media and Dems want Nunes out because he isn't playing by their rules.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28...rump-link.html
Two leading House and Senate committees are examining the FBI’s handling of its investigation into Russia’s possible links to Trump campaign associates and the country’s alleged interference with the 2016 presidential election.
The Senate Judiciary Committee, headed by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, is investigating whether the FBI wrongly included political opposition research from Trump’s opponents in its probe, and then paid the author of that controversial report, a former British spy, to work for the FBI on its investigation. The committee’s probe began March 6 with the letter Grassley sent the FBI and was furthered Monday with requests for information from the company that did the opposition research.
“When political opposition research becomes the basis for law enforcement or intelligence efforts, it raises substantial questions about the independence of law enforcement and intelligence from politics,” Grassley said Monday.

In Grassley’s probe, he is calling into question the FBI’s use of a “controversial and unsubstantiated dossier” compiled by a political opposition research company against then-presidential candidate Trump.
Fusion GPS, a Washington, D.C.-based research and strategic intelligence company, was paid during the campaign by backers of Trump’s Republican and Democrat opponents to perform opposition research, Grassley said. And that company hired former British spy Christopher Steele to write the dossier that was distributed widely to political opponents, the media and the FBI.

Nunes said Trump staff members’ identities reportedly were “unmasked” within intelligence agencies through foreign surveillance unrelated to Trump or Russia, and the names were illegally disseminated among intelligence agencies and to the media in what many believe was an effort to embarrass Trump and undermine his presidency.At least one of those unmasked was former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who had information about his communication with the Russian ambassador leaked to press, resulting in a public scandal and his resignation.
Nunes’ committee, like the FBI, has been looking into what actions Russia took against the U.S. during the 2016 election, whether anyone from a political campaign conspired in the activities; whether the communications of officials or associates of any campaign were subject to any kind of improper surveillance; and which intelligence officials leaked classified information that exposed foreign surveillance, conversations between President Trump and other world leaders.

Originally Posted by Averageman

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28...rump-link.html
Two leading House and Senate committees are examining the FBI’s handling of its investigation into Russia’s possible links to Trump campaign associates and the country’s alleged interference with the 2016 presidential election.
The Senate Judiciary Committee, headed by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, is investigating whether the FBI wrongly included political opposition research from Trump’s opponents in its probe, and then paid the author of that controversial report, a former British spy, to work for the FBI on its investigation. The committee’s probe began March 6 with the letter Grassley sent the FBI and was furthered Monday with requests for information from the company that did the opposition research.
“When political opposition research becomes the basis for law enforcement or intelligence efforts, it raises substantial questions about the independence of law enforcement and intelligence from politics,” Grassley said Monday.

In Grassley’s probe, he is calling into question the FBI’s use of a “controversial and unsubstantiated dossier” compiled by a political opposition research company against then-presidential candidate Trump.
Fusion GPS, a Washington, D.C.-based research and strategic intelligence company, was paid during the campaign by backers of Trump’s Republican and Democrat opponents to perform opposition research, Grassley said. And that company hired former British spy Christopher Steele to write the dossier that was distributed widely to political opponents, the media and the FBI.

Nunes said Trump staff members’ identities reportedly were “unmasked” within intelligence agencies through foreign surveillance unrelated to Trump or Russia, and the names were illegally disseminated among intelligence agencies and to the media in what many believe was an effort to embarrass Trump and undermine his presidency.At least one of those unmasked was former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who had information about his communication with the Russian ambassador leaked to press, resulting in a public scandal and his resignation.
Nunes’ committee, like the FBI, has been looking into what actions Russia took against the U.S. during the 2016 election, whether anyone from a political campaign conspired in the activities; whether the communications of officials or associates of any campaign were subject to any kind of improper surveillance; and which intelligence officials leaked classified information that exposed foreign surveillance, conversations between President Trump and other world leaders.

Nothing to see here, but look at the TrumpCare loss.....

Originally Posted by TAZ

Nothing to see here, but look at the TrumpCare loss.....

Replacing Obamacare was a major party platform and a central issue for a majority of voters in the past 3 election cycles. The Republican's failure will cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of wasted dollars.

On the other hand, there is no evidence that Trump conspired with the Russians or that Obama ordered some agency to spy on Trump. People from eilther end of the political spectrum who choose to focus on these conspiracy theories, which even if true would not likely affect their lives, deserve everything that is about to happen to them.