Obama Admin wiretapping Trump?

Originally Posted by Sensei

Replacing Obamacare was a major party platform and a central issue for a majority of voters in the past 3 election cycles. The Republican's failure will cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of wasted dollars.

On the other hand, there is no evidence that Trump conspired with the Russians or that Obama ordered some agency to spy on Trump. People from eilther end of the political spectrum who choose to focus on these conspiracy theories, which even if true would not likely affect their lives, deserve everything that is about to happen to them.

You mean the DNC success in passing ObamaCare will cost thousands of lives and trillions wasted before the eventual implosion. Agree that the GOP failed in stopping the DNC from passing that abortion of a bill and has now squandered the chance to repeal it, but the "we have to pass the bill for you to see whats in it" crowd own it no matter how big the pointing finger is.

As far as the whole spying thing. A relatively simple but serious crime (leaking and unmasked citizens name it to the press for personal or political gain) has been allowed to balloon into a national mess because a group of special snowflakes just couldnt deal with loosing an election and making baseless accusations about hacking. Maybe they should just have dealt with the criminal issue and gone on with life.

Although the more they sling mud, maybe the more people they wake up to the corrupt and selfish system we truly live with.

Something no one is even mentioning but if they are taping foreign phone calls what stuff from the HRC campaign was over heard. David

Originally Posted by TAZ

You mean the DNC success in passing ObamaCare will cost thousands of lives and trillions wasted before the eventual implosion. Agree that the GOP failed in stopping the DNC from passing that abortion of a bill and has now squandered the chance to repeal it, but the "we have to pass the bill for you to see whats in it" crowd own it no matter how big the pointing finger is.

As far as the whole spying thing. A relatively simple but serious crime (leaking and unmasked citizens name it to the press for personal or political gain) has been allowed to balloon into a national mess because a group of special snowflakes just couldnt deal with loosing an election and making baseless accusations about hacking. Maybe they should just have dealt with the criminal issue and gone on with life.

Although the more they sling mud, maybe the more people they wake up to the corrupt and selfish system we truly live with.

No, I actually meant what I wrote. The Dems own 2010-2017; the GOP is on watch now and leadership is a real bitch. Obamacare could be repealed with simple majorities in both houses of Congress. All the crap that Ryan and Trump spewed about Senate parliamentary procedure were excuses.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nationalreview.com/article/446034/obamacare-repeal-senate-parliamentarian-rules-allow-house-republicans

As far as serious crimes being committed, I'm sure the federal grand jury will be returning true bills any day now.

Originally Posted by Sensei

No, I actually meant what I wrote. The Dems own 2010-2017; the GOP is on watch now and leadership is a real bitch. Obamacare could be repealed with simple majorities in both houses of Congress. All the crap that Ryan and Trump spewed about Senate parliamentary procedure were excuses.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.natio...se-republicans

As far as serious crimes being committed, I'm sure the federal grand jury will be returning true bills any day now.

Agree that ObamaCare needs to be repealed and that is the task the GOP should have went about accomplishing. However, I disagree that the DNC is all of a sudden absolved in any responsibility for creating the mess. They made it and should own it and be held accountable for it forever.

The truth of the matter is that while Trump may could possibly want a repeal, the GOP does not. Never wanted it. Will never want it. For that matter I'm not sold on the whole Trump wants a repeal. Their ONLY complaint about ObamaCare is that its Obama and not Romney or McCain or Trump or GOP care. They want the exact same thing as the DNC. CONTROL. What better way to control people than by controlling their ability to not die when they get sick.

Would that be the same gand jury that handed down bills against Hillary?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...rump-team.html

Here's a clear admission of guilt in the matter.
A former top Obama administration official has acknowledged efforts by her colleagues to gather intelligence on Trump team ties to Russia before Donald Trump took office and to conceal the sources of that intelligence from the incoming administration.
Evelyn Farkas, deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, made the disclosure while on the air with MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski.

“I was urging my former colleagues, and frankly speaking the people on the Hill, it was more actually aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves the administration,” Farkas, who is now a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, said.
“Because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior [Obama] people who left, so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy ... that the Trump folks – if they found out how we knew what we knew about their ... the Trump staff dealing with Russians – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.”
So lets spy on the new Administration coming in because we don't like the results of the election?
We've allowed the Obama Administration to weaponize the IC against the new Administration and for the most part this isn't troubling to the MSM even though there are clear felonies going on here.

Take the above and add this to the mix;
Two leading House and Senate committees are examining the FBI’s handling of its investigation into Russia’s possible links to Trump campaign associates and the country’s alleged interference with the 2016 presidential election.

The Senate Judiciary Committee, headed by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, is investigating whether the FBI wrongly included political opposition research from Trump’s opponents in its probe, and then paid the author of that controversial report, a former British spy, to work for the FBI on its investigation. The committee’s probe began March 6 with the letter Grassley sent the FBI and was furthered Monday with requests for information from the company that did the opposition research.
“When political opposition research becomes the basis for law enforcement or intelligence efforts, it raises substantial questions about the independence of law enforcement and intelligence from politics,” Grassley said Monday.
The British Spy in question is the guy who claimed that President Trump had been participating in "Water Sports" in a hotel room in Moscow with Russian Hookers. BTW, your tax dollars paid for this report from the British Spy in question.

The leaks could have come from the FBI, a source close to the investigation notes, because that agency requested multiple Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants that helped capture some of the foreign surveillance. In addition, sources say, the FBI is not cooperating with the House investigation, unlike the National Security Agency, which has been transparent with the committee. In addition, multiple sources suggest that British intelligence also passed along information to U.S. intelligence agencies.
Meanwhile, the FBI will take full control over the law enforcement investigation into Russia’s interference in the election, Trump’s possible ties to Russia, as well as the leaks, Fox News has learned.
In Grassley’s probe, he is calling into question the FBI’s use of a “controversial and unsubstantiated dossier” compiled by a political opposition research company against then-presidential candidate Trump.

So like it or not, what you've just seen is an admission by an Obama Administration Executive admitting She set in place an investigation by a private intelligence firm, through private funding and then turned those results (factual or not) over to the IC in order to undermine their success and the transfer of power to the new Trump Administration.
So where are the charges?

What would happen if Nunes stepped aside? Would he still get to vote on the Committee? Surely they don't expect the Dem guy to take over, do they?

I agree with Sensei, this all leads to nothing on both sides except for the charge that things weren't fully investigated and we get to hear conspiracies for the rest of our lives.

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

What would happen if Nunes stepped aside? Would he still get to vote on the Committee? Surely they don't expect the Dem guy to take over, do they?

I agree with Sensei, this all leads to nothing on both sides except for the charge that things weren't fully investigated and we get to hear conspiracies for the rest of our lives.

I disagree because what it does prove and what is clearly illegal here is that the Dem's used the IC to go after Trump. It would appear that when their effort were going nowhere and their British Spy was proved to be a Goof, they simply used their sources inside the IC and began releasing names and conversations.
What they have proven is that now are doing much worse than anything Richard Nixon ever dreamed of.
Heads must roll.

Judge Napolitano is back:


http://video.foxnews.com/v/537762245...#sp=show-clips

Originally Posted by Averageman

I disagree because what it does prove and what is clearly illegal here is that the Dem's used the IC to go after Trump. It would appear that when their effort were going nowhere and their British Spy was proved to be a Goof, they simply used their sources inside the IC and began releasing names and conversations.
What they have proven is that now are doing much worse than anything Richard Nixon ever dreamed of.
Heads must roll.

Absolutely, but will they?

I'm not sure if Sensei's point is that it never happened or that nothing will come of it. If it's the former I disagree. If it's the latter then I reluctantly have to agree.