Obama Admin wiretapping Trump?

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Absolutely, but will they?

I'm not sure if Sensei's point is that it never happened or that nothing will come of it. If it's the former I disagree. If it's the latter then I reluctantly have to agree.

This would also be a clear case of criminal conspiracy.

Farkas is the new Alexander Butterfield. "Oh, THAT tape system in the Oval Office?"

She's totally effing clueless about how a republic works and what being a "public servant" is all about.

In a just world she would wind up scrubbing floors 8 hours a day in prison.

Originally Posted by Dienekes

Farkas is the new Alexander Butterfield. "Oh, THAT tape system in the Oval Office?"

She's totally effing clueless about how a republic works and what being a "public servant" is all about.

In a just world she would wind up scrubbing floors 8 hours a day in prison.

And Butt up and Face down, Comet Cleanser and a Nylon Scrub Brush for twelve hours a day.
Let her Peon for a couple of decades and feel the wraith.

One thing that was said in the interview linked by Averageman that I totally agree with is this: The American people deserve to know whether their President is working for them 100% or for his own interests' (paraphrase).

Is it possible that folks in the IC were politically motivated? Definitely. Is it also possible that folks in the IC were motivated by a sense of Patriotism based on what they knew? Definitely.

This is what I know - Trump demonstrated by his statements admiration for Putin, I've seen video of folks intimately connected to the Trump Campaign sucking Russian ass, and we all know that Trump refused to release his income tax returns, stonewalling by making false assertions he was under audit and it was illegal for him to release them, etc.

Now let me ask you this, if the previous statement was -

This is what I know -Obama demonstrated by his statements admiration for Putin, I've seen video of folks intimately connected to the Obama Campaign sucking Russian ass, and we all know that Obama refused to release his income tax returns, stonewalling by making false assertions he was under audit and it was illegal for him to release them, etc.

What would your feelings about the actions of the IC be? Different?

Something about this stinks. IDGAF how we find out, we need to know if Trump is in the Russian's pockets.

By way of analogy - I had a friend who killed his wife, much as I hated to admit it, the evidence pointed that way. Just because he was my friend didn't change the evidence. Same thing here, just because WE voted for Trump, just because YOU believed he was going to be the savior, doesn't change what is right in front of our faces - something stinks in Trumpville.

Ok, insert Clinton into your phrasing above and change Russian to Chinese. There is fire to that smoke but no one seems to be bothered by that.

There were only two choices in the election. We got the lesser evil- and lesser by a good margin IMO.

Originally Posted by soulezoo

Ok, insert Clinton into your phrasing above and change Russian to Chinese. There is fire to that smoke but no one seems to be bothered by that.

There were only two choices in the election. We got the lesser evil- and lesser by a good margin IMO.

Fine, put in Clinton, it still doesn't change this: Something about this stinks. IDGAF how we find out, we need to know if Trump is in the Russian's pockets.

Or this: just because WE voted for Trump, just because YOU believed he was going to be the savior, doesn't change what is right in front of our faces - something stinks in Trumpville.

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

One thing that was said in the interview linked by Averageman that I totally agree with is this: The American people deserve to know whether their President is working for them 100% or for his own interests' (paraphrase).

Is it possible that folks in the IC were politically motivated? Definitely. Is it also possible that folks in the IC were motivated by a sense of Patriotism based on what they knew? Definitely.

This is what I know - Trump demonstrated by his statements admiration for Putin, I've seen video of folks intimately connected to the Trump Campaign sucking Russian ass, and we all know that Trump refused to release his income tax returns, stonewalling by making false assertions he was under audit and it was illegal for him to release them, etc.

Now let me ask you this, if the previous statement was -

This is what I know -Obama demonstrated by his statements admiration for Putin, I've seen video of folks intimately connected to the Obama Campaign sucking Russian ass, and we all know that Obama refused to release his income tax returns, stonewalling by making false assertions he was under audit and it was illegal for him to release them, etc.

What would your feelings about the actions of the IC be? Different?

Something about this stinks. IDGAF how we find out, we need to know if Trump is in the Russian's pockets.

By way of analogy - I had a friend who killed his wife, much as I hated to admit it, the evidence pointed that way. Just because he was my friend didn't change the evidence. Same thing here, just because WE voted for Trump, just because YOU believed he was going to be the savior, doesn't change what is right in front of our faces - something stinks in Trumpville.

I think it's been pretty well-established, or at least enough doubt cast upon it, that the Russkies weren't the ones who hacked any-damn-thing, let alone "hacked the elections" (the Left's inference being that they somehow changed vote tallies or some other such BS, which couldn't be further from the truth yet is eaten up by the mindless minions they pander to). Do the Awan brothers ring a bell? Trump isn't stupid enough to try and hide Russian $$$ in a way that could be uncovered by the IRS, who given their track record of the last 8 years would no doubt LOVE to find something like that.

I'll tell you where something stinks to high-heaven......it seems to be in the waning months of the Obama administration and whatever entity conducted surveillance on Team Trump. The why and the who of it are also integral parts. This Russia horseshit is nothing but a shiny object to distract from, bring suspicion upon, and otherwise obfuscate the new administration.

I voted for Trump, but not in the primaries. So while he wasn't my first pick, just watching the reaction of the Left and their total mindless fit-throwing since the election leaves me NO doubt whatsoever that they're up to their asses in this thing.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

I think it's been pretty well-established that the Russkies weren't the ones who hacked any-damn-thing, let alone "hacked the elections"

I don't think the Russians hacked the election and changed votes, but I also don't belief voter fraud is THAT widespread, and I don't believe THAT many illegals voted, so I could be full of shit.

I voted for Trump, but not in the primaries. So while he wasn't my first pick, just watching the reaction of the Left and their total mindless fit-throwing since the election leaves me NO doubt whatsoever that they're up to their asses in this thing.

When you say the reaction of the Left and their total mindless fit-throwing since the election leaves me NO doubt whatsoever that they're up to their asses in this thing are you talking the left in general? If so that is a much better conspiracy theory than the one where the whole Dallas PD and Secret Service conspired to kill Kennedy. LOL

I will agree that the Dems definitely run their playbook better than the Repubs.

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Fine, put in Clinton, it still doesn't change this: Something about this stinks. IDGAF how we find out, we need to know if Trump is in the Russian's pockets.

Or this: just because WE voted for Trump, just because YOU believed he was going to be the savior, doesn't change what is right in front of our faces - something stinks in Trumpville.

Consider for a moment the recent events of history, Obama wanting to have some room to maneuver with the Russians until he gets his second term as POTUS. SoS Clinton and her "Reset Button", the "Arab Spring" and events leading our relationship with Russia to suddenly change.
So what ties these things together?
Syria.
If you remember they were so upset with Russia, they were rattling the sabers of a new "Cold War."
Follow the money.
If the Trump team sat down and discussed foreign policy, trade, even future ways in which they can both mutually agree to beneficial treaties, I really don't care. It's simply a non issue. If some Malarkey happened, yes we need to know about it.
But what is clear is;
There was a clear change in how we were dealing with foreign policy and Russia.
There was a great deal of saber rattling from the left.
Saudi money was going in to the Clinton Global Initiative.
Syria was in revolution.
I don't think Trump was dedicated to over throwing Syria. I do think Trump has invigorated national energy production. I do think Trump wanted to end ISIS.
I think if you explore the Trump campaign you may find issues, but what we are seeing here is a diversion.
This Diversion covers the DNC pushing Hillary on us at the harm of Sanders, it covers the Clinton Foundation, it covers all of the dirt exposed about the Democrats during this election cycle, it's covering a lot of really nasty dirty tricks.
The crimes are clearly there, but instead of going after them, we are looking at what might have possibly happened between the Russians and Trump?

Just my opinion

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

When you say the reaction of the Left and their total mindless fit-throwing since the election leaves me NO doubt whatsoever that they're up to their asses in this thing are you talking the left in general? If so that is a much better conspiracy theory than the one where the whole Dallas PD and Secret Service conspired to kill Kennedy. LOL

I will agree that the Dems definitely run their playbook better than the Repubs.

A good number of them, yes. All of them? No. Just look at the states and municipalities that are openly and flagrantly defying federal immigration laws. Begin to tally up those numbers and you'll see that while ALL of the Left may not be involved in undermining Trump whenever/wherever possible, it sure is a helluva lot of them! Of course only a fraction of those have access to the IC-level stuff that appears to have gone on. Nonetheless, they are part of the problem with their tacit approval and perpetuating what they know damn well is a lie.

Analogy: a guy I knew was an Iraq vet. He didn't think very highly of the Iraqi people (as I don't the Left). To him there were very few "innocent" Iraqi's. He told me once "When the insurgents plant an IED, they're Iraqi's, the brothers/cousins/friends of the villagers. Those villagers don't drop a dime on them, they give tacit approval by their silence. Then the American convoy comes along and BOOM. Those 'innocent' villagers just sat and watched the show, smugly gloating over the medevacs that came in to pick up the pieces. Did they plant the bomb? No, but they're part of the problem". That is how I feel about the Left.