Pretty interesting, even if you dislike Russia.
Use your favorite website translator to read:
https://www.kalashnikov.ru/shestyork...atron-6-02-41/
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Pretty interesting, even if you dislike Russia.
Use your favorite website translator to read:
https://www.kalashnikov.ru/shestyork...atron-6-02-41/
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It's interesting, but Russia cannot even field all of their "new" technologies in Ukraine so I'm not sure how the development of this will goOriginally Posted by mig1nc
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Very true. They also seem to depend heavily on export orders to keep things programs going.
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That makes sense. As I say that all the sudden India could adopt 6.02x41 in small batches
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Call me overly skeptical, but I'll believe this has any merits when we actually see any data or testing on it. 6.02x41 likely lacks any real power or mass increase necessary to penetrate armor. Also considering how badly the Russians managed to screw up the AK-12, I doubt this will see any fielding for a decade even if it does work.
Not sure if it was a translation error on Google's part, or if the author just talked in circles, but there was a surprisingly small amount of actual information there.
Though I did have to laugh at the inevitable "uncontrollable in full auto" argument that inevitably pops up for the 6.8x51. Auto is so rarely used by Big Army that is isn't worth mentioning. The Russians likely put a far higher emphasis on it than we do, but mag dumps seem to be the order of the day with them.
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I agree. At least on the surface, it seems like a ridiculous round. Russia is trying to "out-retard" America on stupid new cartridge ideas, I guess.
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Indeed, every video out of Ukraine has both sides using full auto far more than they should.
But you can tell when you watch ones that were NATO trained. They even often have NATO weapons.
I think the whole armor thing is over blown. This will likely have a very high BC and be able to put rounds on target just as well as the NGSW at infantry fighting distance.
However the NGSW-FC will give our guys a big advantage in the event of an actually long range shootout.
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Mass isn’t what penetrates armor, in my experience. It is speed. I’ve also seen lots of steel targets shot through cleanly by fast 6mm rounds.
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You might be mistaking 6.02x41mm for something else. If you were thinking 6.7 thats no where near .277 Fury in terms of muzzle energy since size wise it would sit in between 7.62 NATO and 5.56
From left to right. Experimental cartridges 6.7×45mm, 6.5×39mm and 6.02×41mm
The 6.02x41mm sits squarely next to the 6.8 SPC and the 6.5 Grendel in terms of cartridge size.
If anything is going to be close to .277 Fury its the 6x49mm Unified which was developed during the Cold War. Notice they also did something to the base of the cartridge maybe to deal with more pressure. Hmm, makes you wonder who is copying who. Remember nothing is new, ideas just get rehashed over and over.
6x49mm
Sits right in between 5.45 and 7.62x54r
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The Russians believe that 6.8x51/.277 Fury is over powered for an infantry round.
This is an attempt to increase the performance in the assault rifle class without needing a full battle rifle.
From recent evidence I tend to agree with them.
The FN LICC is a better balance in my novice opinion.
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