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Thread: You can shoulder arm braces. Again. (ATF arm brace reversal stuff)

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    Uh... The last paragraph can be interpreted as: all pistol braces are actually stocks and thus any attaching of a pistol brace is making an SBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ View Post
    Until the next time some dingbat changes his mind that is.
    Well, yeah. I figured that was implied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulyAZ View Post
    Too late bro, I already faxed, email, snail mail, telegramed, and facebooked them just to verify.


    I'm only joking, but I'm sure there are members of TOS that are already on this.
    And I wouldn't put it past Team Bloombarf to try to by hook or by crook spam FTB trying to get "screw it, we're tired of this, PROHIBITED" rulings on everything they can...

    DB, who knows how such people think from firsthand experience among the local Political Class, having been educated among their children and successfully resisted their indoctrination efforts (God bless Rush Limbaugh for that!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Uh... The last paragraph can be interpreted as: all pistol braces are actually stocks and thus any attaching of a pistol brace is making an SBR.

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    "Objective purpose." Is what stands out to me.

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    You can shoulder arm braces. Again.

    As someone who thinks most NFA items should NOT be regulated, i.e. SBR's and Suppressors, I think prior letter was bull crap and this just gets us back to 'even'.

    Ultimately, I want to see this administration move decisively on both suppressors and SBR's.

    The ATF thinking more in line with current day American gun culture is long overdue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Uh... The last paragraph can be interpreted as: all pistol braces are actually stocks and thus any attaching of a pistol brace is making an SBR.

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    Idk I think the letter is pretty clear...

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    So it's ok as long as it's not fully extended? I have no interest in them, just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    "Objective purpose." Is what stands out to me.
    Yeah.

    To restate it: attaching an item to a pistol that can objectively serve the purpose of allowing a firearm to be shouldered is making an SBR. You can no longer claim that you intended it to be a wrist support at time of attaching the brace or that it came with a pistol brace from the factory. Neither of those matter anymore. You can objectively look at most, if not all, pistol braces and come to the conclusion that it can serve the purpose of allowing a firearm to be shouldered. Thus it's an SBR.

    What the letter does say is that after making/designing a firearm (attaching/removing things from it), the method of employment does not constitute another "making"/"design". That's good and logical. But everyone needs to read that last full paragraph again.

    Edit: The specific pistol brace submitted by SB Tactical and referred to in the letter seems to have been deemed not a stock because it is both not intended to be a stock and cannot be used comfortably as a stock. Which brings up the point, if a pistol brace can be used comfortably as a stock, you might need an ATF letter to be sure it's legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzinSATX View Post
    As someone who thinks most NFA items should NOT be regulated, i.e. SBR's and Suppressors, I think prior letter was bull crap and this just gets us back to 'even'.

    Ultimately, I want to see this administration move decisively on both suppressors and SBR's.

    The ATF thinking more in line with current day American gun culture is long overdue.


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    This^^^

    I own both a registered SBR as well as an AR pistol with Shockwave Blade brace, and I like having the legal option of the pistol brace in today's NFA climate, so it's nice to see them clarifying this, but the NFA is BS and SBRs and suppressors need to be taken off the NFA list.

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    ATF reverses standing on brace


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