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Thread: THE BAD: What AR accessory do you really dislike or is just flat out useless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigten109 View Post
    Won't go too much into the numbers but it shows that more often than not, it will be a handgun used in self-defense scenarios, not an AR.

    I don't know where you live, but its not 12 hours of pitch darkness here, nor many places in the US, not that it matters indoors really
    Just because something is common among the masses does not make it correct. A large percentage of people who don't shoot regularly still use a teacup grip when shooting handguns that does not make it right. Things change, we learn and we must change if we want to grow.

    As to the use of lights on your defensive weapons. If you live on this planet you experience a 50% light to darkness ratio whether it be hours, days or weeks (dependent on latitude). It doesn't have to be pitch dark to be unable to identify a threat. And I don't know about you but nearly every crap situation I've had come up in my life has been at the worst possible time lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by cemoulton View Post
    It doesn't have to be pitch dark to be unable to identify a threat. And I don't know about you but nearly every crap situation I've had come up in my life has been at the worst possible time lol
    God knows this is the truth. There is a reason that higher lumen flashlights have become more and more common. It ain't necessarily for pitch black work, you don't need a super bright light for really dark rooms, but in that low light, even mid day, work in buildings which have enough light to not be pitch black but no where near enough to see fully into the far corners of a room, brighter lights count. And depending where you are at you can end up in pitch blackness at high noon. There weapon lights on all of my go to guns, I carry a handheld light everywhere I go. Because you never know. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigten109 View Post
    I agree flashlights are useful in home defense. I disagree that the advantages of an AR for home defense (if there are any) are that obvious. Just based on round penetration and possibility of innocent casualties (including your family), but in close quarters in HD situations (5-10yds) is neither more nimble (compared with a pistol) nor more coverage over a short range (compared to a shotgun), while really not providing any accuracy benefit in my opinion.
    So, it's your belief that for mitigating "round penetration" in the home, you'd prefer say, a 9mm pistol over a .223 AR?


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    Any firearm I might use to defend myself; including my every day carry gun, all have weapon mounted lights on them. Better to have them and not need them, then to need them and not have them.

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    I would hesitate to say that the bad lever combo with a redimag(ish) does not fit a role. While not popular for most, it can suit a category for some well. Since it has the capability to fill a role for a limited few for use with benefits, I wouldn't place them in the same category as flames or skulls or etc. The same goes with full sized VFG's, many have used them as a monopod with good results when a shorter version most likely wouldn't have worked. I do not see those in the same category as skulls or flames or cheap optics, etc..

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    Green lasers, especially when combined with a cheap light. I will also second low quality optics on an AR. Low quality optic on a .22 is cool, on an AR, no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC5188 View Post
    So, it's your belief that for mitigating "round penetration" in the home, you'd prefer say, a 9mm pistol over a .223 AR?
    The biggest thing I think the AR has going against it for home defense is sight offset. Stay with me....

    Regardless of zeroing strategy the fact is that for precision placement inside HD distances you need to factor in holdover. The importance that you place on this may vary from case to case.

    From my perspective I want something that shoots POA POI if I have to take a shot at someone over my hostage wife or daughter's head or shoulder.

    Somehow, it has always seemed more intuitive for me to place the sight on the bridge of the nose versus holding on the guy's forehead.

    I'm not saying the AR is not good for HD.....just pointing out one disadvantage that you may want to think about.

    Sorry for the thread drift, if it is perceived as drift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    The biggest thing I think the AR has going against it for home defense is sight offset. Stay with me....

    Regardless of zeroing strategy the fact is that for precision placement inside HD distances you need to factor in holdover. The importance that you place on this may vary from case to case.

    From my perspective I want something that shoots POA POI if I have to take a shot at someone over my hostage wife or daughter's head or shoulder.

    Somehow, it has always seemed more intuitive for me to place the sight on the bridge of the nose versus holding on the guy's forehead.

    I'm not saying the AR is not good for HD.....just pointing out one disadvantage that you may want to think about.

    Sorry for the thread drift, if it is perceived as drift.
    Yeah I don't disagree. Mechanical offset is something I deal with when I want to send rifle rounds at the local indoor range (20 yds).

    I actually prefer to grab a pistol when investigating noises in the middle of the night, was just curious if the guy felt he was safe from "penetration issues" with pistol calibers.

    As far as OT goes, I'm not sure how much more we can collectively come up with after almost 200 posts...maybe we can pivot to fleshing out the reasons, as Tom 12.7 has done above?


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    Like I said, something new every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzGoingKev View Post
    Like I said, something new every day.

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    WTF. How do people think up this stupid shit? What, no matching "Jihad Assassin" dust cover?

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