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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdubya View Post
    So, you "refuted" my comment regarding customer service by largely focusing on the quality of components.

    To be fair, you did mention CS. Although, you essentially articulated my point by indicating "some with crappy quality and bad CS." And, yes, there are plenty of instances where other companies have exhibited lackluster CS. I've seen negative reports running the gamut from Colt and BCM, to Stag and Rock River. For the former two, reports of issues and poor CS are often snuffed out pretty quickly. For the so-called "bottom tier" brands, the same type of reports are given a much longer leash. It is what it is. I don't expect any change in objectivity any time soon.

    It's quite fitting that you hail from CA. You brought nothing of substance to the discussion. Just an air of enlightened superiority. Ironically, while clicking around M4C today, I encountered 3-4 other recent threads regarding PSA. And, sure enough, there you were contributing the same level of unproductive drivel. It seems you can't accept that others might think differently. You could simply click on past. But, no, it's almost like you seek out opportunities to disparage those who make purchases that you personally deem unacceptable. Again, it's not all that surprising. It's very Californian to actively stalk unlike minds around; attempting to shove ones opinions and beliefs down the throat of others.

    Individual's freedom to make their own purchasing decisions shouldn't be so triggering. Contribute to the topic or let it go.
    You are a very disingenuous person. You simply looked at my posting history to see if you could find my comments on PSA and indeed you did because there have been more problems that usual with postings about PSA more recently. But if you spent the time going back you will see that I do spend a lot of time trying to provide useful and helpful feedback. I don't suffer fools easily, and frankly you haven't done your homework. There is NO comparison in the CS and QC given by quality companies like BCM, DD, and LMT compared to crap outfits like PSA. And it isn't just that they have terrible CS, their parts are completely inconsistent in quality. From my point of view they run an unprofessional sloppy operation, and one day somebody is going to get hurt.

    There was a time on this forum when this kind of crap would have been scoffed at... I guess I'm supposed to live with the new low.

    I guess its not surprising, with your lack of seriousness and discernment, that you would jump out to defend PSA. This forum was built on serious discussion and minute examination of rifles and rifle accessories which is why I joined. I was slapped down plenty of times by people who know more than I did (and do), but I learned a lot simply by listening and researching. People like you are trying to turn this into TOS and I guess I'm frustrated with the sometimes empty headed crap I read.

    Finally, if you don't like my educated, yet sometimes dismissive, comments you should ignore them or find something else to do.
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    ScottsBad:

    This is an internet website which, most of us don't even pay to post on, it isn't Congress, a Boardroom, or the Intercollegiate Forensic Championship, it's the internet.

    From my point of view - which may be wrong, I am quit willing to admit I'm not infallible - the more you say things like:

    This forum was built on serious discussion and minute examination of rifles and rifle accessories which is why I joined.

    There was a time on this forum when this kind of crap would have been scoffed at... I guess I'm supposed to live with the new low.

    People like you are trying to turn this into TOS and I guess I'm frustrated


    The more you sound like you are trying to make yourself feel like one of the elite folks. Maybe you are elite, I know I'm not.

    Obviously at some point PSA pissed in your post toasties, but really, does that need to be central in every discussion? In terms that attempt to make the person who dared to buy a PSA product feel stupid?

    One thing about being dismissive, no matter how much you know, folks begin to dismiss you in return. I know that from about a decade of thinking my shit didn't stink. It took another decade to turn it around.

    JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSW View Post
    I have a PSA Dissi upper with an FN CHF midi barrel. Never had a problem after several thousand rounds. I have a friend who's Colt .308 was with them for SIX months. When they sent it back, it was still a single shot & wouldn't function properly. Around this time, I had ordered a 6920, then cancelled it for a DD due to my friends CS experience.

    Every company has quirks & foibles. I'm pleased with my N of 1 and have no complaints with PSA. But I also got lucky with a Bushmaster that's been flawless in over 10,000 rounds.

    Break out the tar & feathers, boys or flame away.
    A lot of people come out with the 1 of 1 examples and say basically the same thing. But the evidence, even in PSA's own customer feedback, points to something different. Look if you want to buy crap, knock yourself out. It may run fine, but if you care about consistent quality you buy DD or some other high quality rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottsBad View Post
    A lot of people come out with the 1 of 1 examples and say basically the same thing. But the evidence, even in PSA's own customer feedback, points to something different. Look if you want to buy crap, knock yourself out. It may run fine, but if you care about consistent quality you buy DD or some other high quality rifle.
    Name one of these "high quality" brands and I'm sure one could find examples of bad, inconsistent product -- consistently inconsistent MK18 gas ports, anyone?

    Point being, stuff happens with all brands; including PSA.

    With that said, I'm willing to bet that PSA acquires and ships more product in a month than many "high quality" companies do in an entire year. More product, more mistakes, etc. That is a very elementary way of looking at it as there is a lot more involved, but the PSA bashing is so old and tired, its not even worth the effort defending it. It, not them, because it isn't so much about PSA as is the belief that if one doesn't acquire a certain brand, they bought crap.

    At the end of the day, OP had a problem with his rifle and PSA is taking care of it. That sounds like good CS to me.

    How did some of these "high quality" brands earn such widespread acclaim for their CS if they put out such consistent, high quality products?

    It is fact that every company makes mistakes. In this particular case, said company is making it right.

    Move on.
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    The OP bought a gun, it had a problem & he asked for help here. I would hope folks here would offer advice instead of brand bashing

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
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    ScottsBad:

    This is an internet website which, most of us don't even pay to post on, it isn't Congress, a Boardroom, or the Intercollegiate Forensic Championship, it's the internet.

    From my point of view - which may be wrong, I am quit willing to admit I'm not infallible - the more you say things like:

    This forum was built on serious discussion and minute examination of rifles and rifle accessories which is why I joined.

    There was a time on this forum when this kind of crap would have been scoffed at... I guess I'm supposed to live with the new low.

    People like you are trying to turn this into TOS and I guess I'm frustrated


    The more you sound like you are trying to make yourself feel like one of the elite folks. Maybe you are elite, I know I'm not.

    Obviously at some point PSA pissed in your post toasties, but really, does that need to be central in every discussion? In terms that attempt to make the person who dared to buy a PSA product feel stupid?

    One thing about being dismissive, no matter how much you know, folks begin to dismiss you in return. I know that from about a decade of thinking my shit didn't stink. It took another decade to turn it around.

    JMO.
    Yes, and the Internet forums are mostly full of crap. I'm not an elite, simply a guy who spent enough time to learn and experiment, question and learn more. I have no notion that I want to be "elite" only competent. This is simply a hobby, but like any serious hobbyist I've gained some knowledge. My criticisms of PSA are solid and well founded. My criticisms are meant as a caution and a push back on the PSA BS.

    You are now trying to analyze me. No, I'll never have the practical experience of people who make a living protecting us and I don't claim that. I'm not a manufacturer or SME. But I have learned much from people who are and I've experimented with products from various concerns. I've spent some time understanding why and how components are made.
    The importance of QA, and what happens when tolerances are sloppy. I've made plenty of mistakes.

    I'm surely not above being corrected or proven wrong, but your argument is based on emotion. If you want to dismiss me fine. BUT, it won't be because I'm wrong, it'll be because it bothers you emotionally. BTW I never spent a decade of my life thinking my shit didn't stink, so perhaps you are projecting your issues on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phixion View Post
    Name one of these "high quality" brands and I'm sure one could find examples of bad, inconsistent product -- consistently inconsistent MK18 gas ports, anyone?

    Point being, stuff happens with all brands; including PSA.

    With that said, I'm willing to bet that PSA acquires and ships more product in a month than many "high quality" companies do in an entire year. More product, more mistakes, etc. That is a very elementary way of looking at it as there is a lot more involved, but the PSA bashing is so old and tired, its not even worth the effort defending it. It, not them, because it isn't so much about PSA as is the belief that if one doesn't acquire a certain brand, they bought crap.

    At the end of the day, OP had a problem with his rifle and PSA is taking care of it. That sounds like good CS to me.

    How did some of these "high quality" brands earn such widespread acclaim for their CS if they put out such consistent, high quality products?

    It is fact that every company makes mistakes. In this particular case, said company is making it right.

    Move on.
    LOL, really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottsBad View Post
    BTW I never spent a decade of my life thinking my shit didn't stink, so perhaps you are projecting your issues on me.[/B]
    Nope, pretty much my shit didn't stink, time and time again I was proven right. My problem was I was arrogant about it and full of myself.

    Please understand, I want to be clear, my goal is not to make you love PSA, or even admit you MIGHT be mistaken, that their customer service MAY have improved. Frankly, I have more important goals.

    I just think the forum would be more enjoyable for all if there was less toxicity.

    And, despite your assertions about your love for this place, and your sorrow over what it has degenerated into, which of us is the site sponsor, supporting this bastion of knowledge?

    Now you can have the last word in this conversation, because I have nothing more to offer you.

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    Take a breather, guys, or this thread gets locked and non-contributory posts get cleaned up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by militarymoron View Post
    Take a breather, guys, or this thread gets locked and non-contributory posts get cleaned up.
    Last post, on this I've been challenged again. Last post, leaving this thread.

    26INF, Since you want to continue the personal attacks. My contributions go to the CRPA and NRA. I'm a Benefactor Life Member and I send at least a $1500 a year or more to the NRA and CRPA. This site is important to me, but the last time I checked it was $300 a year and this is not my primary forum where I'm a life member. I've thought about it a lot, but I've got a lot of charities, two teenagers in expensive private schools, and both will be starting University, one next year, the the other the year after that. They will both be accepted to very good schools. Yeah, so I have my priorities.

    My contributions to this site do not include cheering on cheesy manufacturers who's contributions to the industry consists of selling low quality crap to unsuspecting buyers, while driving real gun companies out of business. You don't see PSA advertising on this site yet you want to defend their indefensible business model and business practices. We are talking about guns here, this is serious stuff and not Airsoft.

    So as a "site sponsor" why are you attacking another contributing member who buys from and truly supports the companies advertised here? Mean while, you cheer on PSA who makes crap and is in competition with M4C advertisers?...In effect, arguing that PSA stuff is just as good. Do you yet see what I mean about people with a lack of discernment, and reasoning skills?

    So, if you want to go on making personal attacks, because you cannot argue on the facts, bloviate to my PM, and lets spare the reader of this thread any more of your nonsense.

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