Diemaco-Colt Canada

[Diamondback]

Nice, thank you. I think I may just go with the RAS for now? Seems the best solution while not correct, it’s correct enough for me until I can figure out a lower.

Gimme ten minutes or so to reboot the laptop and I'll copypasta the reference chart from over at CanadianGunNutz.

[mstennes]

Gimme ten minutes or so to reboot the laptop and I'll copypasta the reference chart from over at CanadianGunNutz.

No rush, and thank you!

[Diamondback]

As promised...

Assembly	Group	Component	Detail	C7	C7A1 C7FT	C7A2	C8	C8A1 C8FT	C8A2 C8FTHB	C8A3 C8SFW	Notes
Lower Assembly	Lower Rec. Grp	Lower Rec.	Fences	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	All C7/C8 have A2 full fences
Lower Assembly	Lower Rec. Grp	Lower Rec.	C/N Dates	84-91	98-00	84-91 (rebuilds) 98-00 (rebuilds and new)	85-03	03-??	???	85-03 (rebuilds) 03-?? (rebuilds and new)
Lower Assembly	Lower Rec. Grp	Lower Rec.	C/N Type Code	AA	AA	AA	AB	AB	?AB (rebuilds) AE (new)	?AB (rebuilds) AE (rebuilds and new)	Other Codes: AC Commercial/LE C7 AD Commercial/LE C8 GB Great Britain NL Netherlands N Norway NP Norway Police DB SA15.7/SA20 and lowers DK Denmark DS Diemaco Sales R RCMP
Lower Assembly	Lower Rec. Grp	Lower Rec.	Mfr. Rollmark	Devtek D	Devtek D	Devtek D (?-2012) Colt Maple (2012 on)	Devtek D	Devtek D	Devtek D	Devtek D (?-2012) Colt Maple (2012 on)
Lower Assembly	Lower Rec. Grp	Grip		A2, black	A2, black	A2, green	A2, black	A2, black	A2, black	A2, green
Lower Assembly	Lower Rec. Grp	Safety		Std Milspec	Std Milspec	Ambi Milspec	Std Milspec	Std Milspec	Std Milspec	Ambi Milspec
Lower Assembly	Lower Rec. Grp	Mag Catch		Milspec	Milspec	Norgon Ambi	Milspec	Milspec	Milspec	Norgon Ambi
Lower Assembly	Buffer Grp	Buffer Tube		Rifle	Rifle	4-pos CAR	2-pos CAR	4-pos CAR	4-pos CAR	4-pos CAR
Lower Assembly	Buffer Grp	Buffer		Rifle	Rifle	?CAR H6	CAR Std	CAR Std	CAR Std	CAR Std
Lower Assembly	Buffer Grp	Stock		A2 fixed OR C/S	A2 fixed OR C/S	CAR Fiberlite, textured, green	CAR Fiberlite	CAR Fiberlite	CAR Fiberlite	CAR Fiberlite, textured, green
Lower Assembly	Buffer Grp	Recoil Pad		none	none	CAR ribbed green	CAR ?	CAR ?	CAR ?	CAR ribbed green
Lower Assembly	Buffer Grp	Endplate		N/A	N/A	Left Slot OR Double Slot Curved OR (2019) 90* Bent QD's	Left Slot	Left Slot	Left Slot	Left Slot OR Double Slot Curved OR (2019) 90* Bent QD's	Colt "triangles" on rare C7A2s and C8A3s
Lower Assembly	Buffer Group	Lock Ring		N/A	N/A	4-dimple CAR OR (2019) 6-dimple	4-dimple CAR	4-dimple CAR	4-dimple CAR	4-dimple CAR OR (2019) 6-dimple	not to be confused with M4 castle nut
Upper Assembly	Upper Grp	Upper Rec.	Topline	A2 carry Handle	Weaver rail	Weaver rail	A2 carry handle	Weaver rail	Weaver rail	Weaver rail	1913 rail on some exports?
Upper Assembly	Upper Grp	Upper Rec.	Misc Common Features	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	All C7/C8 have Fwd Assist and Case Deflector
Upper Assembly	Upper Grp	Upper Rec.	Feed Ramps?	No	No	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	further research required
Upper Assembly	Upper Grp	Fwd Assist									details uncertain; requires research
Upper Assembly	Bolt Car. Grp	CH Latch				Standard OR (?-2019) G1 Hook OR (from 2019) G2 Hook				Standard OR (?-2019) G1 Hook OR (from 2019) G2 Hook	further research required Various private-purchase CH's frequently substituted
Upper Assembly	Barrel Grp	Barrel		20" A2	20" A2	20" A2	14.5" A1	14.5" A1	14.5" A1 HBAR	15.7" SFW	All barrels 1:7 twist SFW is basically a longer M4 with fat end from FSB to muzzle Simon Sleeve on C8A3 and C8SFW only?
Upper Assembly	Barrel Grp	Flash Hider	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	-->	All variants default to A2 birdcage SEI Vortex G6A4 occasionally substituted; also various suppressor adapters
Upper Assembly	Barrel Grp	Handguard		Rifle; round black	Rifle; round black	Rifle; round green w/ long Cadex rail	CAR 6-hole,	CAR 6-hole, black	CAR 6-hole, black	CAR 6-hole, green w/ short Cadex rail	sometimes found with official or private-purchase KAC M4 (C8)/M5 (C7) RAS
Upper Assembly	Barrel Grp	Tri-Ad rail		No	No	Long	No	No	No?	Short	Carbine Tri-ad is one slot shorter than Rifle

[scottryan]

Can you explain why? Genuine question, what makes it better than anything our domestic pony puts out?

Edit: nevermind, I got going on their website, and answered my own question.

I would love to get my hands on one of their 11.6 uppers.

The Colt monolith has zero possibility for rail movement causing IR laser shift due to it being a monolith.

It has more gas block clearance than the LMT system.

[pointblank4445]

If the ArmsUnlimited HK MR223's can make into country...I want to see some Colt Diemaco "pistols"....

[Diamondback]

If the ArmsUnlimited HK MR223's can make into country...I want to see some Colt Diemaco "pistols"....

Problem is, IIRC before Colt acquired Diemaco they had some kind of "no-compete" clause in the license for the TDP. Between that and 922R, as I understand it Diemacos are only allowed to enter the country on LE purchase contracts and only when Colt US allows.

What happens to them after the cops are done is Anything Goes, but as far as entering the US... and I'm not an industry insider and don't know the whole story so take this with a grain of salt. Maybe Scott can fill in some of the blanks a little better.

[scottryan]

Problem is, IIRC before Colt acquired Diemaco they had some kind of "no-compete" clause in the license for the TDP. Between that and 922R, as I understand it Diemacos are only allowed to enter the country on LE purchase contracts and only when Colt US allows.

What happens to them after the cops are done is Anything Goes, but as far as entering the US... and I'm not an industry insider and don't know the whole story so take this with a grain of salt. Maybe Scott can fill in some of the blanks a little better.

I have inquired about this from various people and can never get a straight answer about Colt Canada products. I don't know more than that.

[pointblank4445]

Problem is, IIRC before Colt acquired Diemaco they had some kind of "no-compete" clause in the license for the TDP. Between that and 922R, as I understand it Diemacos are only allowed to enter the country on LE purchase contracts and only when Colt US allows.

What happens to them after the cops are done is Anything Goes, but as far as entering the US... and I'm not an industry insider and don't know the whole story so take this with a grain of salt. Maybe Scott can fill in some of the blanks a little better.

I don't pretend to know the details of the AU MR223 thing, but I know HK-Oberndorf had no say in the matter. Again, just guessing some importer found an exporter to play ball or something. Just saying if MR223's and Swiss Sans are possible with they were once impossible...

[Beat Trash]

Problem is, IIRC before Colt acquired Diemaco they had some kind of "no-compete" clause in the license for the TDP. Between that and 922R, as I understand it Diemacos are only allowed to enter the country on LE purchase contracts and only when Colt US allows.

What happens to them after the cops are done is Anything Goes, but as far as entering the US... and I'm not an industry insider and don't know the whole story so take this with a grain of salt. Maybe Scott can fill in some of the blanks a little better.

In about 2006, I bought a Colt 6920 through an individual officer sales program. The gun that showed up was stamped “Colt” and also stamped, “Made in Canada”.

I thought I might be getting ripped off by the vender so I called Colt. I was told that Colt had bought Diemaco. Colt imported Canadian made 6920’s at times to offset supplying product to orders. But I should have not received that gun as the Canadian made guns were supposed to go to agency orders and US made guns were supposed to go to individual Officer sales.

The only difference between the Canadian made 6920 and a US made 6920 was how they marked the barrels. US made guns were stamped with twist rate and Canadian made guns used a dot laser etching. And I was told that the Canadian made guns used a CHF barrel. Great shooting rifle. I only put about 300 rounds through it though. Been sitting in the back of the safe ever since.

[MadAngler1]

https://www.coltcanada.com/phone/mrr.html

Why they can’t at least replicate a MRR stateside is beyond me. It’s really a shame. We can import B&T stuff as pistols, SP5’s but not a MRR. I guess the domestic AR makers would prefer it that way.