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    Quote Originally Posted by 10MMGary View Post
    So what does that have to do with my proving your original comment wrong? You posted the following and it is simply incorrect, there's nothing more to say.
    If you don't get it, you don't get it. Ciao, mon ami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen View Post

    Guns that fire when they're not supposed to. Guns that don't fire when there's incoming fire. Guns that come out of the box with missing parts or loose parts or parts installed wrong. It's all real and it is-- to use the same word again, to avoid sounding too caustic-- disappointing.
    I did not realize it was that bad. Rough feed ramps, rusted springs, canted sights--I'm used to these things. But your list horrifies me.

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    They know what they are making, and who they are making them for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    One of the problems as I see it is the change in corporate structure from either family-owned or traditional corporate owned, as DuPont owned Remington, to ownership by investment groups.

    As an example, at one time Remington focused on making each buyer of an 870, and their families by extension, lifelong Remington customers because of the durability and dependability of their products. This approach provided a relatively steady sales stream over time. That focus quickly changed to corner cutting in order to maximize profit after Remington began it's life as a pawn of various investment entities.

    From taking numerous armorer courses over several decades from career employees of several manufacturers, I heard firsthand how these changes impacted the relationship between labor and management and thus impacted quality.

    I once heard that the average AR buyer shoots a hundred rounds or so the first month they own their AR, then less than a hundred rounds a year going forward. That, my friends, is who the general AR manufacturer is building their rifles for.

    Looking at it from that perspective it isn't hard to understand why some folks use straight versus tapered pins on FSB's, why gas blocks are set screwed rather than pinned, why staking is not emphasized more, and so on.

    Most of the members on this site probably shoot more in a month than most users shoot in a year. This means we, as a group, are more likely to encounter and recognize problems with our firearms that others don't. And those issues are more aggravating to us than to other users.

    They continue to not know these things, year after year, decade after decade? I'd like to think that because the alternative is, they know.... and they care more about the $.17.

    The ongoing debacle with the Sig P320 is ample evidence that some manufacturers do care more about the $.17.

    JM devalued .02 worth.
    Don't know how true that is but I agree, based on watching my friends.

    2 years ago one friend bought a used Police trade S&W M&P sport. Rifle was sitting next to a 6920, also a police trade, for a $100 more. I kept trying to talk him into the Colt. In fact I even posted on here asking about M&P vs Bushy, because it was the 3rd option. All 3 were police rifles. When we went back the Bushy was gone so he took the M&P. Now, this guy can afford the extra $100 but doesn't see why! Both are ARs and look the same. Explaining staking is pointless because it's such a minute thing as oppose to say poor quality metal and machining of a lower. After all it's just a little pin and it's there just in case..... not crucial!!!

    So we took it to the range and it shot fine side by side with my 6920. But like you said.....the first day he shot several hundred rounds. Since then he's probably shot a total of a few hundred rounds in 2 or 3 years. And since the rifle keeps on working he is correct, in his case the staking is irrelevant.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    If you don't get it, you don't get it. Ciao, mon ami.
    Re: the buy cheap and stack deep comment that started all of this.

    Most panic buyers are not terribly astute purchasers, they will take what is available. For the most part, they are not knowledgeable consumers. They are buying 'to have one' and the vast majority will make their decision based on price. The majority of purchasers who find themselves in these straits are also constrained financially, they have a ceiling on what they will pay

    Considering those realities, in order to maximize profit, it makes more sense to buy more lower priced product and triple the price asked, than it does to buy fewer higher priced products on which you can double the price.

    Call it the McDonald's Model versus The Five Guys Model.

    Maybe you don't get it......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDBCiZKZi_g
    Last edited by 26 Inf; 09-15-17 at 11:40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Re: the buy cheap and stack deep comment that started all of this.

    Most panic buyers are not terribly astute purchasers, they will take what is available. For the most part, they are not knowledgeable consumers. They are buying 'to have one' and the vast majority will make their decision based on price. The majority of purchasers who find themselves in these straits are also constrained financially, they have a ceiling on what they will pay

    Considering those realities, in order to maximize profit, it makes more sense to buy more lower priced product and triple the price asked, than it does to buy fewer higher priced products on which you can double the price.

    Call it the McDonald's Model versus The Five Guys Model.

    Maybe you don't get it......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDBCiZKZi_g
    Now you've gone and done it, son -- shown intent to engage in interstate commerce of firearms! I hope you're an FFL0x!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    Now you've gone and done it, son -- shown intent to engage in interstate commerce of firearms! I hope you're an FFL0x!!
    Hope you didn't pay too much for that law degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Campbell View Post
    They know what they are making, and who they are making them for...
    This. Why spend money on nice barrels when 4140 will please the customer? Not only will the general gun buyer not know, they wont care either. Gas keys staked? Who cares! As long as you can take it to the woods, slow fire a few mags, hit some 2 liters from 30 yards, well that makes it a decent guns in most people's eyes.

    Talk to someone that hates colts. You can say things like TDP and tolerance stacking, and either their eyes glaze over, or they go on some diatribe about how they took their gun out and "tested" it and it worked just as great as any stupid colt out there.

    These people don't take classes, baby all their guns, and manufacturer's know this. So they spend the money on marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Hope you didn't pay too much for that law degree.
    You seem like a nice guy. Let's just agree to disagree. God Bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    It's still a Ruger. And Ruger compromised with the gun banners in the late 80s and early 90s.
    Do you realize the irony of your comments in this thread?

    To paraphrase..."F' Ruger, they screwed us by going along with the gun bans in the 80s and 90s!"

    OK, I don't disagree, and can get on board with that. But moments later...

    "Colt all the way baby!" (paraphrasing again)

    You do realize that Colt and Ruger were two of the biggest proponents for denying private citizen's 2A rights in the 80s and 90s, right? They both willingly and happily screwed American gun owners. Both were protecting their own interests at the expense of our freedoms.

    I don't disagree that companies acting against our rights deserve the ire of 2A Americans; and any misfortune that comes their way as a result. But, you gotta pick a side here. Either it matters, and "F them both." Or, you're left to ignore their transgressions. Beyond that, even if it were reasonable to only pick one of the two to chastise. I'd contend that Colt might be the most deserving of the backlash.
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