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    Dry fire practice drills is what you seek.

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    I agree with what’s been shared. Ear plugs with muffs, and lots of dry fire practice with a dime on the muzzle.

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    Ball and dummy drills....
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    Whether it be with a rifle or a pistol, focus on pulling the trigger SLOWLY and SMOOTHLY. Think of yourself as ROLLING the trigger back. Also, focus on pulling the trigger back as STRAIGHT BACK as you possibly can. These things sound small, but they can make a huge impact on your accuracy.

    Do dry fire practice pulling the trigger in this way...just like 10 proper pulls a day, and then apply it at the range. Your flinching should go away, and your accuracy should be pretty solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterHelix View Post
    Here's my suggestion. It sounds kinda silly, but it worked for me.

    Get yourself a .22, and put a couple thousand rounds down range with it. Then when you go to shoot your center fire rifle or pistol, pretend it's a .22.

    I know it sounds silly, but doing that, (or alternatively muttering to yourself that "the recoil cannot hurt me") works.

    I don’t flinch, I over anticipate recoil..... I’ve gotten to shooting a lot more 22, in rifle and handgun. I used to do more dry firing, but haven’t much lately- but I think I’ll go back to more. To me the are like building blocks.

    That, and with my son I tried to get him to not do fake recoil when he was playing guns around the house with - Pew-pew with a finger or an unloaded nerf gun. Why use all that trigger time and build bad habits?

    With my son and I both shooting now, blowing thru 9 and 556 gets expensive. A couple of hundred rounds of 22 helps to soften the blow a bit.

    I also try to focus not on the recoil, but getting the sight picture/dot back.
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    All the advice on dryfiring, double ear protection, ball-and-dummy drills is excellent, but there is one additional "mental" tweak to add.

    When you take up the trigger slop or first stage, and are about to break the shot, think about adding half the pressure required - not all of it at once - and then another half of what's left, and again, until the shot breaks.

    The guy who told me this says that by trying to not fire the shot, your body will not be anticipating recoil or trying to 'get it over with' - and will remain stationary.

    As long as you are only trying to add half as much pressure as it would take to break the shot, over and over, until it breaks "unintentionally" you will not have a chance to twitch and screw it up. Clearly your shooting is intentional, you're trying to put the round into the X-ring or you wouldn't be on the firing line, but if your mind thinks "Now!" all sorts of movements follow, throwing the shot out into the 8 ring or worse.

    Geez when I decide to post this I was sure I could say it clearly, now not so sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Gascan View Post
    Greetings all, long time lurker infrequent poster. I just recently joined my local range and have been shooting quite a bit. I've noticed that I can flinch from time to time with a handgun, at least 1 shot out of every magazine will be a good bit lower than the group.


    With a rifle it's a different kind of flinch. If I try to shoot with just one eye I'l blink hard before the shot, but if I shoot with both eyes open it doesn't happen at all. It's not a big deal, and I can shoot both eyes open with a red dot out to 200yds without focus problems. But past 100 with open sights it's hard to focus(20/20 vision) on the front sight with both eyes open, I see it fine with just my dominant eye up until the point I pull the trigger, but then I flinch.


    Any tips, tricks, or drills, to help this or is it just something that diminishes with trigger time and rounds down range? TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzinSATX View Post
    Absolutely!^^^^^^

    Remember that people generally flinch for two reasons, immediately after surprise and/or pain. In shooting (or other activities where we anticipate either, we unintentionally induce the response. So when someone is new to shooting, it’s important to understand this and proactively take steps to mitigate the action.

    Three things I do when introducing new shooters to firearms:

    1. Dry fire every weapon a dozen or more times at the range immediately prior to live fire

    2. I have them wear BOTH earplugs AND muffs

    3. Always shoot at least 100 rounds of .22LR, typically start with my Ruger 22-45 then SR22

    Seems to help take the flinch out as it helps the brain understand that shooting does not hurt the body (assuming you do things in a safe manner and are on the right side of the muzzle )

    Also, something I also do immediately prior to their shooting their first 9MM round is I have them hold the UNLOADED pistol (we check it twice to ensure it’s unloaded) pointing down range as if shooting, and close their eyes. I then randomly smack the muzzle end of the firearm with the heel of my palm pretty hard to simulate recoil. I then ask them “...did I hurt you?” We repeat this drill several times, a bit harder each time until I’m smacking the gun harder than any 10MM round. When they realize and wrap their heads around the fact by feel that there is no pain involved, it really helps.

    Hard to do by yourself, I know, but by aiming the gun, closing your eyes and focusing on “feeling the recoil” just before pulling the trigger, and then concentrating on the sensation and acknowledging there is no pain, can help train yourself to stop flinching.


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    Great advice in this post. I would suggest the people also flinch in *anticipation* of surprise or pain. It's a lot like when you drop something near your foot and say OUCH only to realize it missed and you don't have any pain at all, or if you say OUCH for a minor toe stub thinking it would be a big one and turns out it really didn't hurt.

    One thing that really helped my flinch other than doing more shooting was practicing with a particular rifle I have that has a trigger with no perceptible wall at all. EVERY time you fire it you have no idea precisely when it will fire.

    Two extremes of trigger design will help resist flinching. One extreme is a rolling trigger break with no perceptible "wall" to push through-- my Geissele SD3G is like this, but so is the DAO P250 sig and a few DAO handguns. They just move, move, move and BANG! (not all DAOs are free of stacking, many can be terrible and invite flinching).

    The other extreme is a trigger that has zero movement at all until it breaks. Zero creep or "stacking". The 2nd stage of my Geissele HSNM is like this. You pull through the first stage, and park it at a short detent for the 2nd stage. It is impossible for it to move AT ALL in this 2nd stage without firing. (heck, it's tricky to not blow through the 2nd stage because it's only about 1.5#).

    So a trigger that enables smooth firing must be linearly progressive in either position or in force, or both to some extent. A trigger that stair-steps builds (stacks) or just keeps creeping is one that invites a flinch.

    I really struggled to shoot Glocks well for this reason. I could easily predict when the gun would fire, so I'd anticipate that and flinch. You want to see how bad your flinch is? Mix some snap caps with a live round in a magazine or revolver cylinder. When you hit that snap cap, you'll see just how badly you're jerking the trigger.

    I'm still struggling with that pistol flinch for striker guns. One thing that seems to help is working on ramping up the force quickly once you get to a wall. So instead of pulling to the wall and building anticipation, once you hit that wall, you pull as quickly as you can smoothly pull. Start slow, work up in speed until you can get faster and stay smooth.

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    In addition to all the other great info (dry fire, .22s, etc.) I try and introduce most new shooters to suppressed weapons.

    What most people call recoil, they actually mean muzzle blast. Muzzle blast (and anticipation of) is what is actually frightening to most new shooters.

    As a regular experiment, I suppress a a FN 45 and shoot it next to a FN 9 without suppressor and almost everyone will tell me they prefer the 45 because it has "less recoil." I also run a Glock 19 suppressed and after they are able to get used to it and the movement of the gun (which doesn't scare them suppressed) and they develop some consistency in hold and trigger and begin to group (usually a few hundred rounds) I tell we are taking the suppressor off and nothing is going to change except for a small firecracker in front of the muzzle which they eventually get used to.
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    Only thing I'll add which I really notice with my daughter is when you're tired, just stop. There isn't a benefit for a newer shooter (or even a veteran shooter) to continue trying to outshoot fatigue. It happens, recognize it, stop and come back to it tomorrow.

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