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    Benchmark Times to Shoot For With Your AR15 - An M4C Collaboration Project

    It was suggested to me by a few members of this forum to create a thread like this. I thought it could grow into something useful and helpful for AR owners in the future to know where they stand in relation to the performance of others, so I was happy to oblige. It seems to be common in the realm of pistol forums, but not so much with rifles. Let's change that.

    The purpose of this thread is to discuss different drills one can do with the AR15 and post times for those drills. This gives people a general idea of how everyone else performs, and will hopefully serve to get more folks out shooting. In order to create an easily viewed database I will periodically update the OP with drills and times. If you have a drill that you would like to be listed in the OP, PM me with details

    Once you have shot one or more drills listed in the OP, feel free to PM or post your time. Many applauses will be awarded to the #1 shooter for each drill, and hopefully this fosters the spirit of friendly competition.

    Drill #1 Modified Navy Qual

    Quote Originally Posted by C-grunt View Post
    Here is a drill we run at work. We call it the Navy SEAL drill as one of our officers who is a former SEAL introduced it to us.

    Target is a silhouette with an 8 inch circle target zone. We use a TQ-19-AZ target.
    Distance is 50 yards.
    3 magazines with 5 rounds each.

    Drill starts standing. On the buzzer fire 5 rounds. Reload. Then move to intermediate position (ie kneeling). Fire 5 rounds. Reload. Move to prone. Fire 5 rounds.

    Par time is 25 seconds. Every second over is +2 seconds. Every shot out of the 8 inch circle is +5 seconds. Every shot off of silhouette is +10 seconds.

    A good time is under 40 seconds


    - 24.42 seconds


    Drill #2

    From the low ready - 1 shot on a C Zone IPSC at 100y in less than one second - three times in a row. I kept saying B Zone in the videos I made, but it's really the C zone (including B and A)

    (I am not a youtuber. I suck at narrating. The shooting starts at 1:30. I am only including the entire video so there are no claims of cherry picking)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCWxLIx_tpQ

    - 0.99sec, 0.95sec, 0.93sec



    Drill #3

    Target: C-Zone IPSC

    Have 5 rounds in your rifle and another magazine of 5 rounds. Standing with your back at the target, sprint 200 yards. Turn around and assume the prone position and score 3 hits. Sprint to the 100 yard line and score 3 hits from the standing. Reduce your time by 2 seconds for each round saved.

    *Contains NSFW language and moaning/grunting when laying down in swamp water with MRSA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyt_SPtRLeI

    - 99sec w/ 2 rounds saved = 95sec

    Drill #4

    Quote Originally Posted by MSparks909 View Post
    NRA B8 300 Point Aggregate

    Target: NRA B8
    Distance: 100Y

    Start standing in either low or high ready (shooter's preference). On the buzzer, drop to prone and fire 10 rounds for score in less than 10 seconds. Goal: Score greater than 90 in less than 10 seconds.

    Target: NRA B8
    Distance: 50Y

    Start standing in either low or high ready (shooter's preference). On the buzzer, drop to a kneeling position and fire 10 rounds for score in less than 10 seconds. Goal: Score greater than a 90 in less than 10 seconds.

    Target: NRA B8
    Distance: 25Y

    Start standing in either low or high ready (shooter's preference). On the buzzer fire 10 rounds to the B8 in less than 10 seconds. Goal: Score greater than 90 in less than 10 seconds.

    You'll need to know your zero (I recommend a 100Y zero) and also where your gun hits at 25 & 50Y. If you can routinely shoot 270 combined in under a combined 30 seconds I'd say you are a solid carbine shooter. If you find the times are too generous, knock them down to 7.5s each and try again. But as a general rule I feel 10 seconds is a good challenge for most shooters.
    Drill #5


    Quote Originally Posted by nightchief
    Carbine "X" Drill

    Requirements
    One 1/3 size IPSC AR 500 steel target
    Two markers at 25 yards from target, approx 25 yards apart, two markers at 50 yards from target, 25 yards apart. One marker dead center.
    Carbine and one magazine loaded with 10 rds.
    Spare mag somewhere on your person (rig, pouch, pocket, etc).
    Shot timer.
    Sights/optics of your choice.
    A location or range that allows shooting on the move.

    Start in the center at the low ready. Shoot either left or right handed. On the buzzer, shoot until you hit the target, then move to one of the corners. Whichever you choose. Shots from the right side markers are made right handed, shots from the left side markers are made left handed. After shooting from a side marker, return to center. Shot from center must be made opposite which ever hand was used previous. Shoot and hit from all four corner markers, and from return to center marker. Nine hits required. Shooter gets one miss before impacting time by adding a mag change. Selector to be in safe except when shooting at a marker.

    Benefits:
    Reacquisition of target
    Shots made with elevated heart rate
    Sling work
    Right and left handed shooting
    - Nightchief 57.63 seconds
    Last edited by Eurodriver; 10-21-17 at 15:13.

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    Interesting idea, tagged to subscribe... though my "sprint" limit was at best the first quarter of a quarter-mile track, and that's way back when I was skinny. ("Skinny" being relative, 160# at 5'6"... load me up in Full Battle Rattle tactical gear and I look like a Mall Ninja version of Newman.)
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    Here is a drill we run at work. We call it the Navy SEAL drill as one of our officers who is a former SEAL introduced it to us.

    Target is a silhouette with an 8 inch circle target zone. We use a TQ-19-AZ target.
    Distance is 50 yards.
    3 magazines with 5 rounds each.

    Drill starts standing. On the buzzer fire 5 rounds. Reload. Then move to intermediate position (ie kneeling). Fire 5 rounds. Reload. Move to prone. Fire 5 rounds.

    Par time is 25 seconds. Every second over is +2 seconds. Every shot out of the 8 inch circle is +5 seconds. Every shot off of silhouette is +10 seconds.

    A good time is under 40 seconds
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    Euro with the m-M4c-aga once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-grunt View Post
    Here is a drill we run at work. We call it the Navy SEAL drill as one of our officers who is a former SEAL introduced it to us.
    Lots of variations of the Modified Navy Qual (MNQ). See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5epCk5KRY
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    I'm tempted to suggest the idea of an "M4C Shooting League" where members can post their scores and the top 25 or so on each go onto a regularly updated leaderboard. Nothing formal, no titles or prizes, just the goal of seeing your name on that board someday possibly giving a little extra motivation to try to wring out just one more ten-ring or one second faster... maybe a permanent list of "Possibles" at the top for those who've made perfect scores to give something more to shoot for too.

    If I can find suitable range facilities and it's not ITAR/EAR-restricted like the 23&P manual, I've been thinking it might be fun to shoot the Marine ART qualifier with the GF just to see if a crusty middle-aged cougar and a lardbody desk-jockey can pull it off...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ST911 View Post
    Lots of variations of the Modified Navy Qual (MNQ). See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5epCk5KRY
    Thanks for the reminder, I saw Jeff post on his FB yesterday him running that exact qual. Even he can get rusty with time, but he did better than I could in a million years! I'm going to try it this weekend myself to see where I stand.

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    NRA B8 300 Point Aggregate

    Target: NRA B8
    Distance: 100Y

    Start standing in either low or high ready (shooter's preference). On the buzzer, drop to prone and fire 10 rounds for score in less than 10 seconds. Goal: Score greater than 90 in less than 10 seconds.

    Target: NRA B8
    Distance: 50Y

    Start standing in either low or high ready (shooter's preference). On the buzzer, drop to a kneeling position and fire 10 rounds for score in less than 10 seconds. Goal: Score greater than a 90 in less than 10 seconds.

    Target: NRA B8
    Distance: 25Y

    Start standing in either low or high ready (shooter's preference). On the buzzer fire 10 rounds to the B8 in less than 10 seconds. Goal: Score greater than 90 in less than 10 seconds.

    You'll need to know your zero (I recommend a 100Y zero) and also where your gun hits at 25 & 50Y. If you can routinely shoot 270 combined in under a combined 30 seconds I'd say you are a solid carbine shooter. If you find the times are too generous, knock them down to 7.5s each and try again. But as a general rule I feel 10 seconds is a good challenge for most shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-grunt View Post
    Here is a drill we run at work. We call it the Navy SEAL drill as one of our officers who is a former SEAL introduced it to us.

    Target is a silhouette with an 8 inch circle target zone. We use a TQ-19-AZ target.
    Distance is 50 yards.
    3 magazines with 5 rounds each.

    Drill starts standing. On the buzzer fire 5 rounds. Reload. Then move to intermediate position (ie kneeling). Fire 5 rounds. Reload. Move to prone. Fire 5 rounds.

    Par time is 25 seconds. Every second over is +2 seconds. Every shot out of the 8 inch circle is +5 seconds. Every shot off of silhouette is +10 seconds.

    A good time is under 40 seconds
    My favorite drill for an M-4 type rifle.....I've had 3 different variations at different classes. Trident Concepts was the toughest as I remember it. When I was the team leader I used this a few times a year for training days. Good shooters could get around 25, average was more like 30-40. I've seen guys shoot clean in 17 seconds but they were not average or good shooters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C-grunt View Post
    Here is a drill we run at work. We call it the Navy SEAL drill as one of our officers who is a former SEAL introduced it to us.

    Target is a silhouette with an 8 inch circle target zone. We use a TQ-19-AZ target.
    Distance is 50 yards.
    3 magazines with 5 rounds each.

    Drill starts standing. On the buzzer fire 5 rounds. Reload. Then move to intermediate position (ie kneeling). Fire 5 rounds. Reload. Move to prone. Fire 5 rounds.

    Par time is 25 seconds. Every second over is +2 seconds. Every shot out of the 8 inch circle is +5 seconds. Every shot off of silhouette is +10 seconds.

    A good time is under 40 seconds
    This looks cool and way less running so it should get more people attempting it. I’m going to do it tomorrow.

    What’s your time?

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