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Thread: Benchmark Times to Shoot For With Your AR15 - An M4C Collaboration Project

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas View Post
    I like that running drill Euro, especially as I don't need to worry about getting wet here :P I'm curious to see how I do at that and the Navy Qual.
    I like the navy qual drill. It is easy to setup and run. Maybe that could be setup as our M4C baseline metric.

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    Gotcha. Would maybe a left-side tilt, "fixing" with meatware rather than hardware like the McMillan Tilt with pistols, be a viable possibility? (As a lefty, I don't use BAD Levers since I can smack the bolt catch with support hand once I've stuffed the mag in--and I like ambi mag catches on my pistols but not rifles; if I'm shooting with a rifle I have a little response time but my pistols are built for CQB where every millisecond counts.)
    I get tickled when people have convos about shooting instead of kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Gotcha. Would maybe a left-side tilt, "fixing" with meatware rather than hardware like the McMillan Tilt with pistols, be a viable possibility? (As a lefty, I don't use BAD Levers since I can smack the bolt catch with support hand once I've stuffed the mag in--and I like ambi mag catches on my pistols but not rifles; if I'm shooting with a rifle I have a little response time but my pistols are built for CQB where every millisecond counts.)
    For me, I think most of my issues with marksmanship are more, correct practice. Some solid instruction too. I'm mostly self taught, so I undoubtedly have some poor habits. Correct practice (for me) means paying attention to the fundamentals during drills, and going slower to ensure proper stance, trigger pull, etc. I'm of the opinion that, for me, repetition of the correct skills will help overcome cross eye dominate issues. I notice it more when I'm fatigued, or require more focus. Shooting with irons requires more focus that using an RDS.

    I was out last week and had a terrible day shooting. I was preoccupied with some personal issues and it affected my accuracy big time. It was a good lesson in dealing with what was bothering me between the ears and fighting thru it. If my fundamentals were better, it would be easier to work through the distractions. So I've been working on a lot of fundamentals lately, such as left hand shooting to improve my sight picture and manipulation.

    Will be back out Tuesday to try out the OP's drills and see if I cam hit anything! Gonna try the drills both right and left handed just to see how "bad" I can time!
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    OP,

    What is the target for Drill #3?
    Great thread idea!


    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCsampson View Post
    OP,

    What is the target for Drill #3?
    Great thread idea!


    Thanks!
    Whoops. C-Zone IPSC. Just updated the OP. Thanks for catching that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    I get tickled when people have convos about shooting instead of kit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Drill #3

    Target: C-Zone IPSC

    Have 5 rounds in your rifle and another magazine of 5 rounds. Standing with your back at the target, sprint 200 yards. Turn around and assume the prone position and score 3 hits. Sprint to the 100 yard line and score 3 hits from the standing. Reduce your time by 2 seconds for each round saved.

    *Contains NSFW language and moaning/grunting when laying down in swamp water with MRSA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyt_SPtRLeI

    - Eurodriver 99sec w/ 2 rounds saved = 95sec
    Euro, this drill sounds really good. Do you have, or is there, a version of this that is cut in half? A lot of us only have access to 100 yard ranges so maybe a sprint to 100y, then back to 50y line drill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lincoln7 View Post
    Euro, this drill sounds really good. Do you have, or is there, a version of this that is cut in half? A lot of us only have access to 100 yard ranges so maybe a sprint to 100y, then back to 50y line drill?
    I was told about this drill from GTF425. There isnít necessarily a standard for it that Iím aware of like there is for the MNQ, for example.

    The only change I would make is instead of prone at 100 I would kneel. Prone at 100 is too easy and maybe also reduce the target to a 1/3 IPSC.

    Also, the benefit to shooting these things isnít competing with anyone. Iím sure many people can run the MNQ here faster than 24.42, but I reduced my time by several seconds just with a days worth of practice.

    As long as you are incorporating movement, reloads, and trigger pulling you are already 99% ahead of what typical AR owners are at. Run the drill in whichever manner you wish and do it the same way again and try to beat your own time.

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    There are some 3gun classifiers one is called times 223, 6 targets total 3 on your left at 30ft 40 ft and 56 ft it's mirrored. You engage the first 3 from box a mag change on the run and engage the last 3 box b. Then you have triple play 9 targets in 3 arrays. First 3 are standing at 40 ft mag change to seconds spot kneeling 3 more at 80ft then move again last 3 at 150 ft prone.

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    If you have the ability to do so modifying the EIC combat rifle match 321 would be good too since it focuses on marksmanship not just speed although you are under time constraints. We did it all the all army small arms match. It was 400yds prone 300 prone 200 kneeling 100 standing 75 standing 25 standing if I remember correctly 10rd mags each one. And they score your hits based on where you hit. There is some movement so you're usually 25 yds behind then you run to the firing line rack a round in and get after it. We did it with iron sights. If you modified it I think it could be a good benchmark. The eic pistol match 221 combat pistol is also in my opinion the best pistol benchmark.

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    I am just glad that this thread is getting almost as many posts as the ridiculous flaming shit pile that is the--and I wish I were joking--Best BackUp Bolt Cam Pin to Keep as Backup thread. Don't worry, though, that thread has more views. Obviously that is more important & interesting to most folks than actually shooting their rifles.

    I'll be heading to the range in the next couple of days, work depending, and will see what I can manage for times on a few of these.

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