California repeals law that made intentional HIV transmission a felony

[Firefly]

Not saying anything about your post except that the numbers that have been reported by the WHO in Africa for HIV rates are a lie. The take the the numbers from the capitol and use them for the entire country. I know this for a FACT. Greater the numbers the more funding they get and they don't have to leave the relative safety of the capitols ..... And the bars they have there........

While we agree HIV is high in Africa, are you saying it is actually not as bad and there is money grubbing or that it is worse in rural areas and underreported?

I consider you a scholarly source as you A) BTDT and B) are a doc.

I ask for my own edification.

FWIW I dont think AIDS in the US is still as bad as other places. Despite Leftist revisionism, HIV/AIDS was taken seriously when discovered and people were able to lock it down in relatively good time. It went from a 3 year or less death sentence to a chronic, treatable disease. Not bad IMHO

[SteyrAUG]

Containing it in the US might have been possible if we understood the disease early enough but it took a long time before we cleared up a lot of misconceptions. However, even if we did contain it here it would be impossible to do the same in Africa. Ebola is possible because it kills people quick enough, you can go around spreading HIV for years and have no idea.

Well yes, continued responsibility would have been necessary. If we recognized the threat to the population at large and didn't treat it like something that only impacted homosexual men, IV drug users and hemophiliacs we could have contained and eradicated the threat in the US. Of course that would have required a screening process for anyone entering the US and that is a level of responsibility that I don't think we are capable of.

Even now, if we were willing to do what is necessary to prevent transmission, we could eradicate it in this country within a generation. Of course that would mean we would have to treat people who have HIV / AIDS like people who have a lethal virus that is sexually transmittable rather than courageous heroes. We would also have to recognize the tendency of some individuals who have a fatal illness to want to inflict the same level of suffering on others.

That might sound harsh, but it would save the lives of generation after generation of future victims because we are unlikely to develop the necessary immunities to the virus where the majority of the population is no longer at risk. Additionally, all it would take is another unprecedented health risk to make something like HIV run like wildfire.

[Moose-Knuckle]

I'll try again. In my beautiful and evil state, the powers that be essentially equate the heinousness of possessing one over 10 rd magazine, with purposefully giving someone HIV. I'm amazed that God doesn't burn the whole place to ashes.

Are you familiar with the open air and very public "Folsom Street Fair" in San Francisco?

It's a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, you guys probably shouldn't execute an image search on that one especially without filters lol!

[docsherm]

While we agree HIV is high in Africa, are you saying it is actually not as bad and there is money grubbing or that it is worse in rural areas and underreported?

I consider you a scholarly source as you A) BTDT and B) are a doc.

I ask for my own edification.

FWIW I dont think AIDS in the US is still as bad as other places. Despite Leftist revisionism, HIV/AIDS was taken seriously when discovered and people were able to lock it down in relatively good time. It went from a 3 year or less death sentence to a chronic, treatable disease. Not bad IMHO

Here is one sourse: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12319962

The second is ME. I have had many "conversations" with these people in Africa. They are worst than used car salesmen. The UN in Africa in a business. There is so much money involved that many shortcuts are taken and there is almost as much corruption in their organization as there is in the countries they work in.

[docsherm]

But did those exist in the late 80s? Also if someone is not infection then they shouldn't be quarantined. All I'm saying is there was a time when it was possible to prevent any further infection to anyone, of course that time is now long gone.

No it did not exist in the 1980's. But unless you have a time machine (a Delorean preferably) we can't do anything about it now other than move forward trying to eliminate it.

[docsherm]

That's fine for people who are choosing to put themselves at risk by engaging in behavior that does so.

Why should someone who chooses not to engage in risky behavior even have to consider taking a drug that could prevent HIV?

Are there any health risks or undesirable side effects associated with taking PrEP?

There has to be some basic metabolic panel run to monitor your liver function test one a year.

There is also PEP:

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/pep.html



One of the fastest growing risk groups is Black woman. Why you ask? Not because of risky behavior. It is because of the Extremely high HIV rate in prison. What is the first thing that men do when they get out of prison?

[TomMcC]

Are you familiar with the open air and very public "Folsom Street Fair" in San Francisco?

It's a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, you guys probably shouldn't execute an image search on that one especially without filters lol!

Yeah, I've seen the pictures of it online. I think I was reading something in American Thinker and the article had a link to it......so I looked. I knew gay pride parades were pretty bad, but Folsom seemed even worst. Those poor saps are totally ate up with their perversions.

[SteyrAUG]

No it did not exist in the 1980's. But unless you have a time machine (a Delorean preferably) we can't do anything about it now other than move forward trying to eliminate it.

That was kinda my point, that we missed the window of opportunity when we could have done something very meaningful and isolated and quarantined the virus.