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Thread: 224 Valkyrie...newest AR cartridge from Federal

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    This would be really interesting for my son looking at long range PRS and Semi competitions. I was thinking 6mm Creedmore and the Ruger Precision Rifle comes in .223, so maybe a barrel swap or preferably a factory one would be really interesting. Be able to have long range capable AR-15 and short action bolt gun ammo in one cartridge.

    Target rounds have been getting smaller and smaller .308-6.5-6mm, so I guess this is just the next step. Even if it is a barrel burner, that just makes the experiment shorter.

    Eventually PRS is going to put a kinetic energy or some kind of limit I think to bring back larger rounds.

    Color me interested, and I have been on a strict caliber count diet lately. 9mm, 5.56, 22lr.

    I’m mainly interested in factory ammo, but some solid bullets like Warner has been bringing out would be really interesting for pushing this to the edge of the envelope.

    That 1300 yard figure might be at altitude and temp, which I’m fine with .
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    I'm skeptical. Ballistics look great until you factor in actual barrel length. A lot of assumptions are being made about velocity from AR carbine and SPR length barrels while the actual specs are using longer 24" tubes. I was looking hard at the .22 Nosler until I realized that from a 24" barrel I can get the same velocities by simply chambering in 5.56NATO and loading accordingly. As far as reloading, Hodgdon has data in their 2018 book and online, it's not impressive versus the 5.56.

    Something tells me that once we get more shooter data the Valk's going to be a ballistic twin to the .22PPC, a round you've been able to put in an upper since the first 7.62X39 AR hit the shelves.
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    556 to equal the 224 with a 24 inch barrel? That doesn't sound likely- and you can't run the longer bullets.

    22PPC, I ran a search for ammo and it was kind of funny when the Midway result was a bunch of empty ammo containers. Is there commercial ammo?

    Factory ammo- cheap, like cheaper per round than 6.5/6 Creedmore.
    Fits in an AR magwell, currently available bolts.

    It looks like it is an imperfect round that is a perfect way to get more people into long range shooting.

    I agree, the proof will be in the rifles when they are out next year at matches. When someone skilled with an AR starts beating bolt guys running real rounds, that will be the interesting part. For a lot of matches, I don't know how many people really shoot out far enough for the round to be really impactful Sure, if you are playing 1000+ yards and you want use your current lower nad to pick up ammo at Cabelas, this makes all the sense in the world.

    The big winners if it catches on? Companies making target indicators for the low energy hits from this round at extended ranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    I don't know how many people really shoot out far enough for the round to be really impactful
    That's just it. I read stuff on the webs all the time about guys who believe they need to go to great lengths and buy custom calibers to do what we do every sunday with plain old .223, .308, etc.

    There's a lot of folks who think you need to buy long range success rather than putting in the work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    That's just it. I read stuff on the webs all the time about guys who believe they need to go to great lengths and buy custom calibers to do what we do every sunday with plain old .223, .308, etc.

    There's a lot of folks who think you need to buy long range success rather than putting in the work.
    You mean I can't buy off the spin-drift and windage Gods? What chance do I have? Why God, WHY.

    I'm particularly interested since I've been working my son up through 22s prairie dos matches to 223 carbine matches. I was eyeing PRS matches and lower recoil was an interesting feature and starting from a clean slate for him gives me flexibility. The recoil thing is getting less an issue since the boy just passed me in height- at the age of 12- though I have a lot more recoil management assets. If I could get one round for semi-auto and bolt rifle PRSish stuff, that works pretty well. What JP does with my JP15 upper with the gas, BCG/buffer and brake is simply amazing.

    I'm still seeing 6mm Creed as the apex of low-recoil, factory ammo and ballistic performance. But the ability to swap my LMT-MWS in 308 for more commanility, at least on lowers for SA is compelling.

    Factory ammo is key for me, I don't need the hobby of reloading. That said, it would be interesting to see how those solid bullets from Warner would do in a cartridge like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Factory ammo is key for me, I don't need the hobby of reloading.
    If I wanted a low recoil/long range set up. I'd run a 5.56 (in whatever config desired... bolt gun, carbine, etc) and buy the BH 5.56mm TMKs in either 69 or 77 gr. The 69s shoot ridiculously flat... I think we shaved a mil and a half off at 500 yards. And the 77s are the only round in 223 that we've been able to call hits at 1300 yards.

    I'm sure there's a niche for the topic cartridge, but there is some downside/ass ache to switching over to these type of rounds. To me, this round fills the I NEED A BOX FED 1000 PLUS YARD LOAD. Not many people REALLY need this or can shoot on a range with that distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    That's just it. I read stuff on the webs all the time about guys who believe they need to go to great lengths and buy custom calibers to do what we do every sunday with plain old .223, .308, etc.

    There's a lot of folks who think you need to buy long range success rather than putting in the work.
    Bingo.

    Iíll outshoot 90% of M4C at 800 yards with my .223 gas gun.

    Bring your 6.5s and dashers folks. Letís go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Bingo.

    Iíll outshoot 90% of M4C at 800 yards with my .223 gas gun.

    Bring your 6.5s and dashers folks. Letís go.
    Iíd take you up on that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Bingo.

    I’ll outshoot 90% of M4C at 800 yards with my .223 gas gun.

    Bring your 6.5s and dashers folks. Let’s go.
    They haven't seen your video of shooting in a Hurricane....
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    I think I would rather have a Tac 6 with 105 Bergers doing 2800fps than a Valkyrie shooting 90smks at 2700. 6mm bullets from 55-105gr make the 6mms more versatile IMO.
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