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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsunsurf View Post
    Also because they weigh twice what all of the current design of lightweight cans do. Heavier can = more suck when carrying it and more POI shift. I haven't shot a gun with an OSS yet, I would if I could, but I certainly won't be buying one just to check it out when they weigh 20oz for the Helix and 22 for the Elite. Not to mention price, although I've finally decided I won't use price as such a big part of silencer decision, anymore.
    I have shot my M16 with a OSS and a Rugged. The OSS has nearly no gas blow back. Can't say the same for the Rugged.

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    The future of sound...

    (I'm not saying this to sell these, they aren't even for sale yet...this is just for educational purposes)

    To quickly lay out the specs: Both videos were taken within 2 minutes of each other to the same standards using a calibrated BK 2209 meter at MIL STD positions. Both shooting Prime 6.5CM 130gr OTM. The only difference is that the CGS Hyperion is fired on a 20" barrel, while the SIG is fired on a 24" barrel. So the SIG should have a slight advantage.

    SIG SRD762TiQD: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaobphEn...ken-by=1776_2a

    vs

    CGS Hyperion 300: https://www.instagram.com/p/Baof_SDn...ken-by=1776_2a

    CGS Hyperion 300 on a 16" Noveske AR15: https://www.instagram.com/p/BawBre-H...ken-by=1776_2a

    So far it's been tested against over 30 different mainstream and uncommon rifle silencers on different platforms with the same results each time. The Hyperion is significantly quieter than anything else that exists. It's not just noticeable on the meter either, you hear the difference as both the shooter and observer. It's a night and day difference.

    And I'm already well aware no one will believe it until they see and hear it for themselves. I didn't believe my eyes and ears at first either and I designed the thing. But this is the future. I could sit here and post side by side comparisons all day and people will still call BS. I did myself for a while.

    I know all about what should and shouldn't be possible, believe me, I've gone over it time and time again. We've even gotten some other manufacturers to believe in it because they've fired it themselves. It's certainly opened my mind to what the possibilities may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paco ramirez View Post
    The future of sound...

    (I'm not saying this to sell these, they aren't even for sale yet...this is just for educational purposes)

    To quickly lay out the specs: Both videos were taken within 2 minutes of each other to the same standards using a calibrated BK 2209 meter at MIL STD positions. Both shooting Prime 6.5CM 130gr OTM. The only difference is that the CGS Hyperion is fired on a 20" barrel, while the SIG is fired on a 24" barrel. So the SIG should have a slight advantage.

    SIG SRD762TiQD: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaobphEn...ken-by=1776_2a

    vs

    CGS Hyperion 300: https://www.instagram.com/p/Baof_SDn...ken-by=1776_2a

    CGS Hyperion 300 on a 16" Noveske AR15: https://www.instagram.com/p/BawBre-H...ken-by=1776_2a

    So far it's been tested against over 30 different mainstream and uncommon rifle silencers on different platforms with the same results each time. The Hyperion is significantly quieter than anything else that exists. It's not just noticeable on the meter either, you hear the difference as both the shooter and observer. It's a night and day difference.

    And I'm already well aware no one will believe it until they see and hear it for themselves. I didn't believe my eyes and ears at first either and I designed the thing. But this is the future. I could sit here and post side by side comparisons all day and people will still call BS. I did myself for a while.

    I know all about what should and shouldn't be possible, believe me, I've gone over it time and time again. We've even gotten some other manufacturers to believe in it because they've fired it themselves. It's certainly opened my mind to what the possibilities may be.
    When will the 5.56 version be out?

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    Can you share a little of the back story and inspiration behind the technology in this suppressor?

    Quote Originally Posted by paco ramirez View Post

    So far it's been tested against over 30 different mainstream and uncommon rifle silencers on different platforms with the same results each time. The Hyperion is significantly quieter than anything else that exists. It's not just noticeable on the meter either, you hear the difference as both the shooter and observer. It's a night and day difference.

    And I'm already well aware no one will believe it until they see and hear it for themselves. I didn't believe my eyes and ears at first either and I designed the thing. But this is the future. I could sit here and post side by side comparisons all day and people will still call BS. I did myself for a while.

    I know all about what should and shouldn't be possible, believe me, I've gone over it time and time again. We've even gotten some other manufacturers to believe in it because they've fired it themselves. It's certainly opened my mind to what the possibilities may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mig1nc View Post
    When will the 5.56 version be out?
    We're currently awaiting the outcome of an extensive test on both Helios (556) and Hyperion (264/300). If no issues arise we will move forward to release in 2018. They'll be displayed at SHOT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clint View Post
    Can you share a little of the back story and inspiration behind the technology in this suppressor?
    All I can say so far is that the production variants will be "tubeless" in design as this one is below. They'll be Grade 5 Titanium to start. Plus the Titanium welds are done correctly and shiny chrome in color like they're supposed to be. One of the Helios 556 variants is Inconel 718. More will be revealed sometime around SHOT. As for backstory and inspiration, that'll have to wait to be shared as well.



    Last edited by paco ramirez; 10-29-17 at 16:12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Suppressors? The rifle this site is named after hasn’t changed in almost 70 years. Let’s focus on that first.

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    The DMLS process that companies such as Delta P and Daniel Defense are using to manufacture suppressors is interesting. Are there any design advantages gained by the ability to essentially 3D print a suppressor as opposed to welding one together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tx_Aggie View Post
    The DMLS process that companies such as Delta P and Daniel Defense are using to manufacture suppressors is interesting. Are there any design advantages gained by the ability to essentially 3D print a suppressor as opposed to welding one together?
    Grain structure is still the limiting factor on ALL 3d printing so far. Laser sintering like this addresses some of the problems, (basically you are welding the entire can from the ground up) but is still early in the development stage for this technology. Yes you can print some interesting internal designs you might not be able to machinine conventionally. I am unimpressed with the parts we print at work on a high end consumer printer, and even the parts done on a commercial have had longevity problems compared the same parts we machine from raw stock. Bottom line is the strength of grain structure hasn't come about yet for printing.

    Somebody has printed an entire 1911 .45 and it has a few hundred rounds through it. I just can't trust it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco ramirez View Post
    The future of sound...

    (I'm not saying this to sell these, they aren't even for sale yet...this is just for educational purposes)

    To quickly lay out the specs: Both videos were taken within 2 minutes of each other to the same standards using a calibrated BK 2209 meter at MIL STD positions. Both shooting Prime 6.5CM 130gr OTM. The only difference is that the CGS Hyperion is fired on a 20" barrel, while the SIG is fired on a 24" barrel. So the SIG should have a slight advantage.

    SIG SRD762TiQD: https://www.instagram.com/p/BaobphEn...ken-by=1776_2a

    vs

    CGS Hyperion 300: https://www.instagram.com/p/Baof_SDn...ken-by=1776_2a

    CGS Hyperion 300 on a 16" Noveske AR15: https://www.instagram.com/p/BawBre-H...ken-by=1776_2a

    So far it's been tested against over 30 different mainstream and uncommon rifle silencers on different platforms with the same results each time. The Hyperion is significantly quieter than anything else that exists. It's not just noticeable on the meter either, you hear the difference as both the shooter and observer. It's a night and day difference.

    And I'm already well aware no one will believe it until they see and hear it for themselves. I didn't believe my eyes and ears at first either and I designed the thing. But this is the future. I could sit here and post side by side comparisons all day and people will still call BS. I did myself for a while.

    I know all about what should and shouldn't be possible, believe me, I've gone over it time and time again. We've even gotten some other manufacturers to believe in it because they've fired it themselves. It's certainly opened my mind to what the possibilities may be.

    Hi,

    Sorry, but something is off here.

    I have been in the industry for a long time and I have very serious doubts of a centrefire supersonic load being mid 120s one metre to the side of the muzzle.

    c. 133-134 dB one metre to the side of the muzzle is pretty much where it is at the lowest with centrefire calibres and super sonic ammo, unless CGS has somehow been able to change the laws of physics.

    The last person that claimed similar revolutionary numbers recently at AR15.com did not come up with the numbers he claimed, IIRC it was sub 120 dB at the shooters ear on an AR platform.

    I am putting this in the same category. I will be coming over for SHOT, will you be on any of the range days?

    I would love to be proved wrong.

    Best Regards!

    Tuukka Jokinen
    Sales and Marketing Manager
    Ase Utra sound suppressors

    Tuukka Jokinen
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    Tuukka is one of the very few true experts on this matter, FWIW.

    What' next: low back pressure suppressors that increase back pressure only by < 5%. Also new production technologies, that make it possible to profitably build lighter suppressors that offer just as good performance as the current ones.

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