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    Carrying an AR "pistol" in a vehicle

    Lately I've been debating building a "pistol" to keep as a truck gun. The only issue is where to store it in the vehicle. I drive a single cab truck so space is tight and I don't want it out in the open.

    Ideally I'd like some sort of rig to hold the gun plus a couple mags on the back of my seat, so that in the event I needed it access would be quick.

    Does anyone know of such an item? Or have other suggestions?
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    Well, simplest way to handle spare mags is to have them right ON the gun. SB Tactical has the SB-MAG20 pouch designed toslot into the middle of their braces, and while CAA's MPS mag-carrier is designed for their stocks with accessory rails it just as happily mounts on any forearm rail too.

    If it's over 26" OAL, then FAB Defense's foregrip mag-carrier becomes an option, but no way would I pay full price for it when CAA sells their carrier for around four bucks each direct, and because the CAA's aren't a "Vertical Foregrip" they can be used on anything without NFA concern other than having enough room for the mag between it and the back end of a folded buffer/brace assembly--when @IdahoCorsair's LAW folder I've bought hits my bench I'll see about getting some pics on the Developmental Mockup for my briefcase-monster.
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    School me that over 26” OAL allowing a VFG. Is that not then defined as an “any other weapon?”
    I am not aware of any state where a pistol carry permit covers non-pistols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uffdaphil View Post
    School me that over 26” OAL allowing a VFG. Is that not then defined as an “any other weapon?”
    I am not aware of any state where a pistol carry permit covers non-pistols.
    Phil, by Federal over 26" and no stock is "Other Firearm" like the Mossberg 590 Shockwave and Remington 870 TAC-14. Federal and State laws are not always in sync... This is also why VFG-equipped Thompson 1927A-5s had to have the longer barrel... the original 10.5" was okay with no stock and a horizontal WWII forearm, but my understanding is the finger grooves in the foregrip DQ'ed it for the exemption Magpul AFG and FAB PTK currently enjoy, and most Thompson fans I've encountered really prefer the Chicago Typewriter look, so West Hurley took the easy way out rather than do a 10.5" WWII and a 13" Roaring '20s as two separate pistol models.

    Washington state, for example, legally defines "pistol" as "under 16" barrel, or designed to be fired with one hand." Which means assuming (operative word) I'm reading things right, around my AO if you can conceal it or as a Truck/Saddlebag Gun, in theory you can carry a full 14.5" M4 upper as long as it's on a pistol lower and the FH/brake only adds less than 1.5" ahead of the muzzle crown. I *personally* wouldn't go any longer than a Mk 18 URG, but that's just me...

    Of course, in theory if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle, but...
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    Dback, yes MN is similar: “"Pistol" includes a weapon designed to be fired by the use of a single hand and with an overall length less than 26 inches, or having a barrel or barrels of a length less than 18 inches in the case of a shotgun or having a barrel of a length less than 16 inches in the case of a rifle (1) from which may be fired or ...
    624.712 - 2017 Minnesota Statutes - Revisor of Statutes

    However both our states include designed to be fired with one hand language. The VFG changes that to a two hand design in the eyes of the law AFAIK. Moot point for me as the Arisaka finger stop is my preference over any other forward hand device.
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    Phil, ours is IIRC an "Or", not an "And."

    RCW 9.41.020 (20): "(20) "Pistol" means any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, or is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand."
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010
    That's literally all the definition in WA State law.

    Re vehicle carry we have 9.41.050 on vehicle-carry of pistols requiring CPL: (2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050

    And vehicle carry of rifles is 77.15.460:
    (1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle, as defined in RCW 46.04.320, or upon an off-road vehicle, as defined in RCW 46.04.365, if:
    (a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle, or upon an off-road vehicle, except as allowed by department rule; and
    (b) The rifle or shotgun contains shells or cartridges in the magazine or chamber, or is a muzzle-loading firearm that is loaded and capped or primed.
    (2) A person is guilty of unlawful use of a loaded firearm if:
    (a) The person negligently discharges a firearm from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway; or
    (b) The person discharges a firearm from within a moving motor vehicle or from upon a moving off-road vehicle.
    (3) Unlawful possession of a loaded rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle or upon an off-road vehicle, and unlawful use of a loaded firearm are misdemeanors.
    (4) This section does not apply if the person:
    (a) Is a law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm and is on duty within the officer's respective jurisdiction;
    (b) Possesses a disabled hunter's permit as provided by RCW 77.32.237 and complies with all rules of the department concerning hunting by persons with disabilities; or
    (c) Discharges the rifle or shotgun from upon a nonmoving motor vehicle, as long as the engine is turned off and the motor vehicle is not parked on or beside the maintained portion of a public road, except as authorized by the commission by rule. This subsection (4)(c) does not apply to off-road vehicles, which are unlawful to use for hunting under RCW 46.09.480, unless the person has a department permit issued under RCW 77.32.237.
    (5) For purposes of subsection (1) of this section, a rifle or shotgun shall not be considered loaded if the detachable clip or magazine is not inserted in or attached to the rifle or shotgun.
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460

    Main point is not to argue but just to highlight the complicated labyrinth we all have to navigate... If *I* were doing a true rifle (SBR or otherwise) as a truck-gun, I'd want it with the bolt locked open and one of those things the Israelis stick up their magwells that makes it technically unloaded but has a ready magazine attached to its side. Technically not "loaded rifle" in the eyes of WA law, but just a quick drop mag, insert mag, drop bolt away from Ready To Rumble... I might even consider leaving such a weapon Safety Off with a block behind the trigger to prevent unintentional hammer decocking.
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    I hear ya, it’s a mess of ambiguous legalese. In MN, other than a legally carried pistol, all weapons must be transported unloaded, out of reach inside a case. SBRs not excepted.
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    The above points are why I'm building a pistol rather than an SBR. I don't need legal issues.

    As far as magazines go, I'm not a fan of having them on the gun. My thought was to run a paddle style mag holster so I'd have at least one reload.

    For the gun, some sort of sheath would be ideal. I don't want to fumble with clips, locks etc. in a dynamic situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    The above points are why I'm building a pistol rather than an SBR. I don't need legal issues.

    As far as magazines go, I'm not a fan of having them on the gun. My thought was to run a paddle style mag holster so I'd have at least one reload.

    For the gun, some sort of sheath would be ideal. I don't want to fumble with clips, locks etc. in a dynamic situation.
    I'm a fan of the drive-by kit by RE Factor. Fits on the headrest, can be mounted to Molle webbing as well. 2AR mags, handguns mags, medical kit, etc. It's very versatile.

    I also carry my Tavor, and sometimes my AR pistol in a Wilson tennis racket bag, where there are pouches you can put extra mags in. It's discreet. Although mine is a tad wider than this one;

    http://www.wilson.com/en-us/tennis/b...k-white-3-pack


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    DE26, right with you on pistol-vs-SBR--I'd consider a pistolized M4 or GL/SSC for Home D (more likely the latter), but the Mk 18 is the practical upper limit for CCW. (Even that's a push; with no brake or folder and CAR tube my 10.3" is less than 1/10" below 26.) And to do that, I actually had to switch to a range-bag as my laptop bag... the Red Rock Operations Duffel is laid out just right that I can use its front pockets as an organizer for my external-drive array so all I have to do is plug the power and data cables into the USB hub.

    The way I roll... well, for most folks who know me seeing me *not* loaded heavy is as worrying as seeing someone else packing my kind of gear.
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