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Well I use a standard carry handle sight with a military 25/300 yard/meter zero. If the range is less than 300 yards/meters I use the large aperture 0-200 meter sight which should give a hit out to that range. After all we are talking hits on a man sized target not competition known distance shooting.
What's bugging you Euro? That the forum is babbling on about zeros and not out there using them. I understand to a degree. That's why I stated in one post what I use and left it at that. Also, nobody actually gives a rat's tookus what I think anyway. Buck up laddie, it will be ok.
Hi Tom,
The sigh was directed specifically at Panda’s post, and in particular his justification for a 25y zero.
If he spent forty five seconds looking at 5.56/.308 trajectory charts on Google Images he would see an almost 10” POI/POA variance from 150-200 yards. From his post he insinuates shooting that far is something he has actually done, and claims 10” of POI/POA difference is a “minor” correction.
I find this frustrating because a “minor” correction is half the vital zone of your target - 4” for a human. Oddly enough, what a 100m zero gets you - or less - all the way from the muzzle to 200 yards is 3”. Using a 25 yard zero is so bad that you are approaching a maximum ordinate of almost 11” and never within 5” of POA from 75y to 300y+.
Why is this frustrating? Similar to your assumption, because things like this are only said on the internet and not on the gun range. On the range someone would quickly learn that a 25y zero is horseshit and a huge waste of combat effective range.
F2S shoots like 5k rounds a month. He T&Es and sells rifles for a living. He’s been doing this shit professionally since probably before I was in high school. I’ve shot a couple carbine matches with him and I’ve come in third place. He, however, halved my score. He has a bonafide Bronze Star with a Combat “V” for his ability to employ a carbine, and we should be fortunate he chimes in with knowledge for free that anywhere else we would have to pay for.
To which Panda basically said “Yeah, but still...”
With all of that said, I do indeed appreciate your concern for my feelings. I hope you and yours have a lovely and merry Christmas.
Stay safe,
Euro
Guys zero’ing at 25 (30-something, actually; poi/poi are offset on a zero target) are doing it that way because it is what was taught to them in the Army, which you may know as an organization that uses the M4 for a living. It is still doctrine in the Army to zero on a 25 meter range. The individuals are not crazy or dumb for continuing to shoot that way, and a lot of people have been killed by 855 with a 300 meter zero. It is not what I would choose, but it does work, and has for decades. You do have to hold under from like 150-200m, which is why I don’t use it anymore.
This is also how I zero my ARs with RDS, rather a 50 yard zero-I don’t check the 200 yard. My dot is 4MOA and I don’t have the best eye sight so I am now curious as to what the real world difference I will see if switching to 100 yard zero. My range has a 50y and 100y next to each other for comparison.
Last edited by hotrodder636; 12-24-17 at 22:11.
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