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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybean View Post
    Boy isn't this the liberal "Sophie's Choice."
    "SEND IT" happens to be my trigger words...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post

    Fly - don't misunderstand me, I'm for immigration control. For nearly 20 years I've been saying - 1) step one - make the border duck butt tight; 2) step two - throw CEO's/business owners in jail if they hire illegals; 3) step three - path for citizenship for those that are already here and established with a work history and no conviction history. I know that is not what many want, but that is the way I have always felt. IMO is the humane and just way to do it based on our history of 'wink, winking' as businesses were using illegals as cheap labor for industrial and farming jobs most American wouldn't take.

    If we removed some of the Socialist Labor laws, Affirmative Action, minimum wage, Obamacare (which will never truly die),and tax burdens; we have people already here who could pick fruit and work construction without picking up God knows who from God knows where at a 7-11 parking lot to work under the table.

    Not being hateful, but when was the last time you worked even close to a minimum wage job? I'm asking because:

    The median annual Police Patrol Officer salary in Atlanta, GA is $51,906, as of January 02, 2018, with a range usually between $48,464-$56,566 not including bonus and benefit information and other factors that impact base pay.

    You would probably say that isn't a great salary, but the median at $51,906 works out to $24.95 an hour. So based on that, what is a living wage? So would you be willing to pick fruit or work construction at $5.00 an hour? $7.00? What would it take to get you to do those jobs?

    And would you want to be a cop if all forms of social assistance were cut? Seems to me that would bring a dramatic increase in crime and, therefore, violence. I'm not advocating right or wrong on our current social welfare system, I'm just speaking to the likely foreseeable consequences of shutting her down cold turkey.


    There was a time when Company Stores were a thing and people knew they had a future with a company and even if they branched off it was seen as a step-stone and not as outright competition and there was more cooperation and franchising.

    When you talk 'company stores' are you talking about Appalachian coal mining type company stores? Because there was truth to the lines 'You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go, I owe my soul to the company store.'

    To me, the modern day enmity between worker and employer began when employers began viewing employees as assets and not people. That was when the last vestiges of the 'ethical social contract' between employer and employee disappeared.

    Loyalty up and down has largely disappeared, but loyalty down disappeared first, largely because, as I said, employees are viewed as assets not people, and companies are run strictly to maximize profit and/or to pay dividends to stockholders.

    In reality CEO's don't work for their companies, they work for the funds that own controlling shares of stocks.


    Now most American Industry is essentially treated like Junior's first summer job with an expectation of turnover, fewer opportunities, and a "last guy to quit, please turn off the lights" mentality
    Turnover is good to a certain extent, it helps control labor costs. Hopefully the workers who leave are going to another job to better themselves, or are leaving to find another job that is more their fit.

    On this forum and others I've read comments about military retention rates off first term enlistments, and mid-career. What would happen if EVERYONE reenlisted? At some point would everyone be a CPL or SGT? Yeah, it would be great if everyone was a seasoned soldier with 8 years experience, but does every member of a rifle squad need to be that guy? E-3's and O-3's in every branch think they know everything there is to know and certainly more than their leaders. So how does that work out when everyone thinks THEY are THE SME? Some turnover is good.

    Some of the mentality you describe is because of the mobility of our society in general, some of it is because upper level management move across corporate boundaries with ease. Most management types don't expect to work for the same company they started with throughout their career.

    I got ideas, but I don't know the answer. And the ideas I have would be hard to implement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    I have been all over Africa and Trump was correct in what he said, in the first part of his statement.

    It is the second part of his statement I have issues with. From Norway we are more likely to get a liberal that wants to change the USA.

    Give me non Muslim Africans, the vast majority of them work very hard on low paying jobs, while pushing their kids to do great in school so they can get that step up to the middle class.
    Whether or not they, "...work very hard on low paying jobs, while pushing their kids to do great in school so they can get that step up to the middle class", we don't need anymore of those folks. We have a glut of low skilled workers. And we don't need more kids who cannot assimilate. What we need are better educated workers who have skills and at least have the base education to be trained into skilled jobs. This includes being able to speak english. They need to come from cultures where the rule of law and western ethics and values (such as they are) are observed. BTW - There are white s*** holes too, if that's your concern.

    Bottom line, Trump was right. His mistake was that he said it in front of people who hate him. Amplified by a disingenuous, obviously biased, press.

    I'll take a skilled and educated immigrant from Norway any day of the week over a hard worker from Africa, I don't care about the color of skin.

    Culture clashes are going to weaken and eventually kill the USA as we know it.

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    CNN has been saying and running the word shit hole all day. I was so offended I just had to file a complaint with the FCC. I encourage you all to do the same.

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    If you don't think there are any backwater, corrupt countries out there you really need to explain to me why we keep sending money to people outside this Country to improve their standards of living, improve their infrastructures, vaccinate their children and fight terrorism.
    If they aren't poo holes why do we keep paying to make them better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grnamin View Post
    The left's wet dream is a society that demands bigger government and tighter control of the people. They overwhelm the system so that we end up demanding security in exchange for our liberty. Alinsky 101. Mass unfettered migration, Obamacare to usher in single payer, $15 minimum wage, automation ... loss of jobs...universal basic income. Just a few examples.

    We should exchange each and every idiot who hates our country for immigrants who love the USA and will be productive members of our society. Kick the haters out!
    One of the problems as I see it, is that many of the elite and corporate execs are now progressives, and would sell our Country out for their vision and a few pesos. Where did the America and free speech loving capitalists go? Now replaced with liberal university brain washed authoritarian progressive apparatchiks with no sense of history or the greatness of the US. Each of these megalomaniac CEOs and their minions would tear down our freedoms to see their vision of a Techno-Utopian World Order installed like an app while the sheeple click OK. The sheeple need to understand that freedom once gone can only be restored with blood, if restoral is ever possible. We are on the path to the dystopian future we all fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    CNN has been saying and running the word shit hole all day. I was so offended I just had to file a complaint with the FCC. I encourage you all to do the same.
    The FCC only has power over channels publicly broadcasted so you would certainly be wasting your time complaining about a cable channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    If you don't think there are any backwater, corrupt countries out there you really need to explain to me why we keep sending money to people outside this Country to improve their standards of living, improve their infrastructures, vaccinate their children and fight terrorism.
    If they aren't poo holes why do we keep paying to make them better?
    Hegemony

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    Trump's "[poop]hole country" comments

    Quote Originally Posted by skywalkrNCSU View Post
    The FCC only has power over channels publicly broadcasted so you would certainly be wasting your time complaining about a cable channel.
    It’s the thought that counts? Think of the children...
    Last edited by Inkslinger; 01-12-18 at 18:19.

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    No path to citizenship for those here illegally. NONE. They'll vote Democrat and it is a reward for illegal behavior. The DACA "kids"? Maaaaybe, under certain conditions like you have to apply (it isn't given automatically), you have to pay like everyone else who is trying to become a citizen, and your name goes to the back of the line. In the meantime you're in limbo like you are now. Oh, and your illegal, law-breaking parents get sent packing. That's right, you want to stay? Parents go home.

    I'd "break up a family" (waaahhh!!! ) in a heartbeat if it was in keeping with the above stipulations. I don't give a damn if you "kept your nose clean" or not. Bye bye.
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