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    Quote Originally Posted by THORN74 View Post
    Please enlighten me then. I don't claim to be an expert, but I have built 4 ARs.

    I am here to learn as well. Which ones of your lowers or weapons is milspec?
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    Yeah, yeah none are milspec. We get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    I am here to learn as well. Which ones of your lowers or weapons is milspec?
    Honestly IDK.... All the ones I bought and used are listed as milspec 7075 t6 aluminum. All 4 receivers accepted all the parts I put in them. So I'm still not sure what the difference is.

    I have used 1 Rguns, 1 profab, and 2 Anderson receiver sets. 2 pistols 2 rifles. On of the pistols is 300 BLK the rest are 556. Other than not dimplimg the 300blk barrel enough and having the gas block slip under recoil I haven't had an issue with any of them.

    As I said I'm no expert. And of course my same size is limited, but they have worked for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misfit47 View Post
    Yeah, yeah none are milspec. We get it.

    I'm glad that you do, but the question wasn't meant for you, it was meant for the person who doesn't understand that his lowers aren't milspec, not does he understand why, or what the other overall implications are.

    If no one bothers to explain things to new people, how are they expected to learn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THORN74 View Post
    Honestly IDK.... All the ones I bought and used are listed as milspec 7075 t6 aluminum. All 4 receivers accepted all the parts I put in them. So I'm still not sure what the difference is.

    I have used 1 Rguns, 1 profab, and 2 Anderson receiver sets. 2 pistols 2 rifles. On of the pistols is 300 BLK the rest are 556. Other than not dimplimg the 300blk barrel enough and having the gas block slip under recoil I haven't had an issue with any of them.

    As I said I'm no expert. And of course my same size is limited, but they have worked for me.
    To start, none of the lowers you own are milspec. It is a term which the industry uses in a misleading way. Once upon a time it meant something, but in the civilian world it has come to mean almost nothing. In using your above example, which is a common one used, what they are actually saying is the forging the receiver started with was made from 7075 aluminum, not that the receiver is milspec in any way other than they share the same material. The machine work isn't the same, the finish typically is a variation of the one called for by military spec, and the QC which the item is supposed to be held to is not the same.

    This certainly doesn't make every cheap receiver out there an absolute piece of garbage. However, it doesn't change these items are much more likely to be out of the called for specs, and it shows in the overall amount of complaints that are generated. Add to that, a lot of people assembling AR15s don't have a factual idea of what is or isn't correct, and the numbers would honestly be worse.

    I wrote an article for publication a few years back talking about the difference between rails, and there were a few things that came together to form the various prices. In the case of receivers, there are a few similarities, but the primary means which cement the two pricing structures rely heavily on machine time. You can crank out rails and receivers pretty quickly if you don't care about things like tolerances, tool chatter, and the like. The manufacturer bills the retailer, or subretailers for their costs, and the machine time. A rail, or receiver which spends 20 minutes on a CNC is going to be much cheaper than one which spends 120 minutes.

    If the parts you have work well enough for your needs, that is great. A lot of people on this board go into, or have gone into harms way, and they are not interested in substandard components. For a guy or girl who doesn't shoot much, and is looking at their AR15 as a way to have fun when they go shooting, I'm not sure if there is much to get worked up over for anyone. Once many people have something cheap, they begin to understand and appreciate the varying levels of quality, and what they are missing.

    From a personal perspective, unless you are on my squad, part of my family, or a close friend, it doesn't matter to me what other people do. If someone gets uppity with you, don't worry about it. However, don't have issue when people point out your component list as subpar. While it might not matter for your needs, it may be important for others to learn.

    Hopefully some of the above makes sense.

    If nothing else, welcome to the board. It can be a bit chilly here for some people, but the big difference is that this particular board won't allow people to post BS without calling the person out. The end result makes for a pretty nice place once you get used to it.
    Stick


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyLate View Post
    Ruger stripped lowers are pretty common in the local shops here and priced pretty reasonably. I replaced an Anderson lower with the Ruger and would definitely recommend the Ruger over Anderson for a cheaper lower.

    I also have 2 ARs with quality lowers and the difference is noticeable; assembly was a breeze, controls all work freely, the anodizing looks and feels right. They were more expensive, but it was money well spent. Pride of ownership is also a very real thing to me.

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    Another vote for Ruger here. I completed four builds using their lowers and no problems to report.

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    The Firing Pin in Opelika may have BCM lowers. The owner is a good guy and he sold me my first DD V1 years ago. I'll check next time I'm in the shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by dhnut1973 View Post
    There may be some more shops, but I only go to Shooters in Columbus and a couple of pawnshops in PC. Most guys like the cheaper stuff it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    I'm glad that you do, but the question wasn't meant for you, it was meant for the person who doesn't understand that his lowers aren't milspec, not does he understand why, or what the other overall implications are.

    If no one bothers to explain things to new people, how are they expected to learn?
    Valid statement. It certainly doesn't help that the term gets thrown around by dang near every manufacturer around. Personally I like stuff that's held to tighter tolerances than minimum acceptable standards.
    Maybe persuade admin to make a well written and informative post into a sticky for folks to use as reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    To start, none of the lowers you own are milspec. It is a term which the industry uses in a misleading way. Once upon a time it meant something, but in the civilian world it has come to mean almost nothing. In using your above example, which is a common one used, what they are actually saying is the forging the receiver started with was made from 7075 aluminum, not that the receiver is milspec in any way other than they share the same material. The machine work isn't the same, the finish typically is a variation of the one called for by military spec, and the QC which the item is supposed to be held to is not the same.

    This certainly doesn't make every cheap receiver out there an absolute piece of garbage. However, it doesn't change these items are much more likely to be out of the called for specs, and it shows in the overall amount of complaints that are generated. Add to that, a lot of people assembling AR15s don't have a factual idea of what is or isn't correct, and the numbers would honestly be worse.

    I wrote an article for publication a few years back talking about the difference between rails, and there were a few things that came together to form the various prices. In the case of receivers, there are a few similarities, but the primary means which cement the two pricing structures rely heavily on machine time. You can crank out rails and receivers pretty quickly if you don't care about things like tolerances, tool chatter, and the like. The manufacturer bills the retailer, or subretailers for their costs, and the machine time. A rail, or receiver which spends 20 minutes on a CNC is going to be much cheaper than one which spends 120 minutes.

    If the parts you have work well enough for your needs, that is great. A lot of people on this board go into, or have gone into harms way, and they are not interested in substandard components. For a guy or girl who doesn't shoot much, and is looking at their AR15 as a way to have fun when they go shooting, I'm not sure if there is much to get worked up over for anyone. Once many people have something cheap, they begin to understand and appreciate the varying levels of quality, and what they are missing.

    From a personal perspective, unless you are on my squad, part of my family, or a close friend, it doesn't matter to me what other people do. If someone gets uppity with you, don't worry about it. However, don't have issue when people point out your component list as subpar. While it might not matter for your needs, it may be important for others to learn.

    Hopefully some of the above makes sense.

    If nothing else, welcome to the board. It can be a bit chilly here for some people, but the big difference is that this particular board won't allow people to post BS without calling the person out. The end result makes for a pretty nice place once you get used to it.
    Thanks for this very informative post. Which manufacturers truly put out milspec products to the civy market? I know several (Colt, LMT, DD, FN and probably others, maybe BCM?) have their mil contracts, but does their stuff aimed at the civilian market meet the same standards as milspec?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dhnut1973 View Post
    Thanks for this very informative post. Which manufacturers truly put out milspec products to the civy market? I know several (Colt, LMT, DD, FN and probably others, maybe BCM?) have their mil contracts, but does their stuff aimed at the civilian market meet the same standards as milspec?
    I don't have time this morning for a complete answer, but the short answer is that no manufacturers build fully mil-spec lowers for civilian consumption.



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