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    Quote Originally Posted by Creature View Post
    So many here espouse redundancy like it is a magic talisman. I'm sure we can all agree that a broken bolt will take an AR out of action more so than an failed RDS. The added weight of a spare bolt (or even a bolt repair kit) is negligible and wont take up any real estate if stowed in your grip...yet I'd wager that hardly anyone keeps one in their rifle. Why is that?

    When modern and affordable RDS featuring 50K hour constant-on battery life that are damn near bulletproof exist in today's market, BUIS are now pretty much useless.
    That's a pretty bold assumption to make considering the general make-up of this group, which I'd wager a large percentage of the general population here are either current or former card-holding members of the profession of arms. And since we're making assumptions, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt and assume most here are switched-on to the importance of having spare components/parts, tools or batteries readily on-hand. I also give the benefit of the doubt to RDS/optics that have proven to be very reliable in the field and that there's enough cumulative data to support it. Nevertheless, I'd caution again putting absolute faith in a single solution without having a back up plan. Like I said, to each his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boba Fett v2 View Post
    That's a pretty bold assumption to make considering the general make-up of this group, which I'd wager a large percentage of the general population here are either current or former card-holding members of the profession of arms. And since we're making assumptions, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt and assume most here are switched-on to the importance of having spare components/parts, tools or batteries readily on-hand. I also give the benefit of the doubt to RDS/optics that have proven to be very reliable in the field and that there's enough cumulative data to support it. Nevertheless, I'd caution again putting absolute faith in a single solution without having a back up plan. Like I said, to each his own.
    Oh please. I guarantee you next to zero of those with redundant BUIS have actually zero'ed those sights nor do they have back up batteries for their optics...let alone a bolt repair kit stowed in their rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creature View Post
    Oh please. I guarantee you next to zero of those with redundant BUIS have actually zero'ed those sights nor do they have back up batteries for their optics...let alone a bolt repair kit stowed in their rifle.
    How about we just stop all of the over generalizing BS?
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    I have a MBUS pro and two sets of Troy. Cost way too much for what they are. Probably one lowest usage items on my rifles. Sighted it in and never used again.

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    There is another point of note between the MBUS Pro and Troy folding sights, beyond the Troys locking in the up position and the lower skinnier profile of the MBUS. The rear MBUS Pro has the small aperture deployed when you flip it to the up position, where the Troy would have the larger aperture deployed initially. I personally like the lower profile of the MBUS Pro and the way they lock tight when folded down, but I prefer having the larger aperture of the Troy deployed immediately without the extra motion when flipping it up. So, my choice ends up being a Troy rear, and MBUS Pro front.

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    Kac, they are the slickest and look nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creature View Post
    Oh please. I guarantee you next to zero of those with redundant BUIS have actually zero'ed those sights nor do they have back up batteries for their optics...let alone a bolt repair kit stowed in their rifle.
    [insert that thing about assumptions here]



    On topic-

    I have both Troy and MBus Pro BUIS.
    Love the profile of the Pro's, but prefer the Troy.
    IMHO, if I'm having an Ok Corral moment and my RDS craps out, at close range I'd need larger aperture RTFN, than the small one, and if the engagement range is beyond using the large ap, I'll probably have a second in cover to flip it over.
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    I currently have:

    LWRC Skirmish sights (5.56 duty rifle)
    Magpul MBUS pro/pro LR sights (5.56 end-of-the-world rifle)
    LMT folding sights (7.62x51 long range/hunting rifle)
    Magpul MBUS standard (wife's lightweight 5.56 rifle)

    I have owned practically every other BUIS at some point, and no longer use them for specific reasons.

    Thoughts:
    I like sights that aren't likely to be knocked down by accident, and therefore prefer locking or spring assisted. I also like range adjustability, if for nothing else, because it's fun shooting far with iron sights. I like same plane dual apertures.
    I do not like HK hood front sights due to the problem of front sight centering, yet two of my front sights are HK style. I do not like having only detents keeping my sights up, yet two of mine are detent only.

    I honestly don't have a favorite set of what I have. Each was chosen for a specific purpose, and each fits that propose adequately. None of my BUIS have all of my favorite or preferred specifications, as no such BUIS exists.

    Final thought: for the money, Magpul MBUS standard sights do almost everything right. They are probably the best all around BUIS available. Their only down-side is bulkiness and lack of range adjustability.


    Note: All of my rifles have iron sights. All of my iron sights are properly zeroed. All of my optics are QD, and do get removed quite often as I like shooting with both scopes and iron sights. I own only one battery powered optic, and keep spare batteries in that rifle. All storage spaces in my rifles are filled with useful, mission critical items.
    Last edited by masakari; 03-13-18 at 08:36.

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    Kac make the best BUIS hands down

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    KAC BUIS on carbine with MRO.
    With geezer eyes I’m good for A/C hits to 200 with irons and RD.

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