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    I welcome disagreement, especially if they are well reasoned and thought out counterpoints. So far, those have been few and far between.

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    Are we really on Page 10 of To Iron Sight or Not To Iron Sight, That Is The Question (which wasn't the question asked by the OP in any way...)?

    Troy, MBUS, KAC, pick your flavor. Hell, get NCStar or KleyZion for all I give a shit. This thread was done pages ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonesshowmonkey View Post
    Are we really on Page 10 of To Iron Sight or Not To Iron Sight, That Is The Question (which wasn't the question asked by the OP in any way...)?

    Troy, MBUS, KAC, pick your flavor. Hell, get NCStar or KleyZion for all I give a shit. This thread was done pages ago.
    Because of posts similar to yours, yes, it is 10 pages. And the thread's title specifically asks for "opinions".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boba Fett v2 View Post
    The way I see it, it's like relying on a GPS to not fail, but yet have no basic map reading/land navigation skills to fallback on should you find yourself LLMF. Murphy always has a vote. The added weight of a set of BUIS is negligible, they don't take up a lot of rail-estate, and while you may never use them, it's better to have and not need than to need and not have. You do you. To each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creature View Post
    I welcome disagreement, especially if they are well reasoned and thought out counterpoints. So far, those have been few and far between.
    Not to pile on, but the most reasoned and thought out argument has been made a couple times now. Be prepared. The motto of the Boy Scouts, and the best advice you'll ever hear. It's pretty much as simple as that. If you don't want to prepare yourself for the possibility of shooting with irons, either for fun or necessity, then that's your call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonesshowmonkey View Post
    Are we really on Page 10 of To Iron Sight or Not To Iron Sight, That Is The Question (which wasn't the question asked by the OP in any way...)?

    Troy, MBUS, KAC, pick your flavor. Hell, get NCStar or KleyZion for all I give a shit. This thread was done pages ago.
    Thanx, I only started this tread to get a few opinions on the irons I was considering. Not weather I should get them or not, as that decision was already made.

    Really people, this ship is way off course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr McSimon View Post
    Not to pile on, but the most reasoned and thought out argument has been made a couple times now. Be prepared.
    I have stipulated that point. But those same people on this thread who espouse the "BE PREPARED!" mantra seemingly disregard the highest stress item found on their rifle. The bolt. I contend that a bolt failure is more dire than an optic failure...and that any serious rifleman should have a rudimentary repair kit IN THEIR RIFLE. Personally, I have seen dozens more stoppages caused by a bolt failure than an optic failure. I would wager virtually 99% of the respondents to this thread who swear by BUIS do not have a bolt repair kit or spare firing pin shoved into their grip. And I do not mean stowed in their possibles bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creature View Post
    Okay, I refer back to my previous observation: why don't all those shooters who contend that BUIS are a necessity ("because everything can and will fail") carry a spare bolt on their AR's?
    I’m having a hard time envisioning the scenario that you’re preparing for. Is it the end of the world as we know it, and you’re ducking into an empty ruin of a building to dissemble your rifle and replace the bolt after somehow fleeing from a firefight when your weapon went down? Is it that you just want to have the spare bolt in your rifle when it goes down at the range? I’m personally not going to disassemble my BCG in the middle of a fight to try to fix the bolt (if I can identify that it’s the problem). That’s what I carry a sidearm for, which isn't much, but it’s better than a broken rifle. If I have the option, I’ll carry a whole spare BCG (in my assault pack, go bag, or range bag) because I can swap that it in about 1/10 of the time it would take me to change the bolt itself. I’ve spent 18 years in the Army. My command sergeant major has been an infantryman for 23 years. My XO was in the 75th Ranger Regiment. None of us have ever seen or heard of a bolt breaking. Not that it doesn’t happen, but it’s apparently not very common. On the other hand, we’ve all seen optics get fogged or cracked, covered with mud, or even knocked off the rifle from impacting something (possibly because the Soldier didn’t have it properly secured). Some people will even remove their optic and switch to irons when going into a close quarters situation where something like an ACOG isn’t the best thing to have. Some people are also more accurate (or comfortable) at long range with irons than a red dot. In the field, the component of the rifle that’s under the most stress is a thing that’s hanging on the rifle and likely to bump into something.

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    yeah...never mind

    bottom line...Troy, MBUS Pro, MBUS, or nothing. All personal preference based on your needs, real or perceived. All good. IMHO, if you believe you need BUIS, MBUS is cost-effective and almost certainly "good enough" for civilian riflemen.
    Last edited by Hmac; 03-14-18 at 16:57.

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