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    I have used KAC, Matech, and Troy. I like the Troys because they lock in place, are relatively affordable, and are very nicely built. However, the front sight post is pretty thick (mine has the tritium insert) so it doesn't give me the best sight picture, and the rear sight is not adjustable for elevation. The KAC folding sights seem pretty tough, and I like the fact that the rear is adjustable for elevation. The front sight post is nice and skinny, so I have a pretty clear sight picture once I put my eyeball behind them. The downside to KAC is they are expensive, and do not lock in place once you fold them up. The Matech rear sight is what my assigned weapon came with, and so I chose to put one on one of my builds. I like the fact that you can adjust for elevation, and it is super easy to deploy. The downside is that it doesn't lock in the up position, and although I have yet to break either of mine, there seems to be a few stories floating around the interwebs about them breaking. Of the three brands I prefer the KACs the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creature View Post
    Oh please. I guarantee you next to zero of those with redundant BUIS have actually zero'ed those sights nor do they have back up batteries for their optics...let alone a bolt repair kit stowed in their rifle.
    I shoot with my KAC micros quite a lot. Not that I hate the Z8i, I just enjoy the simplicity and low weight. The Z8i does have a back up battery in one of the caps, but my backup bolt is in my covert rifle case, not stowed in the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Been pondering that statement and as a result am ordering an XS CSAT rear sight for the fixed Troy Battle Sight rear on my M4ish upper. Seems to me the combination of the notch and the small aperture might be fun to do some experimenting.

    I'm a fan of etched reticle optics, aside from the fact that they are clear and red dots blossom due to my slight astigmatism, if the electronics poop you still have the etched reticle. To my knowledge, the only thing that would take the reticle out of play would be a tube hit.

    Pontificating further, the OK Corral scenario brings a couple of thoughts to mind:

    Would you have time to flip two sights up in such a close range furball? Might be better to run a lower third co-witness with fixed sights. Which is what I do on the fixed sight upper I use.

    You might also want to see how you hit at 25 and in with the RDS turned off, just using the tube for alingment.

    Just spitballing.
    Yeah, I mean... I'm not saying my reasoning is perfect under all situations, but just why I like irons that "default" to the large aperture vs the small one.
    My "go to" rifle has a fixed FSB so, if it's *that* close that I don't have a second to pop the rear sight up, I'm not completely screwed.
    I wanted to put a DD front sight on the pistol I'm still playing with, but snag considerations when drawing from a bag then becomes sort of a thing...it has a visible laser to mitigate this for now. We'll see how things go long term with that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    Its 2018, why are people still arguing about iron sights?
    I think a lot of folks understand that electronics can fail - does anyone sell RDS's with a forever, we will replace it no matter what guarantee?

    Has there never been an EOTech or an Aimpoint destroyed by a piece of shrapnel?

    Those are things folks worry about in their SHTF HD or EOTW scenarios.

    As a shooter I don't care one way or the other, the M4ish that I talked about in an earlier post has an optic on it because I had one sitting in the little safe. I most often take it to the range with irons, I have other rifles that I shot more often, some with BUIS, more without.

    I mentioned what I mentioned because I was trying to be constructive and add to the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    I think a lot of folks understand that electronics can fail
    I couldn't agree more. My thinking is that electronic sights, regardless of who makes them, can fail. Also, I would think a quality set of irons would be less susceptible to zero shift due to temperature variations. I may be wrong about that, but in the end I like the redundancy of having both an electronic sight (or magnified optic), and a set of irons in case something went wrong with my primary sighting system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    I think a lot of folks understand that electronics can fail - does anyone sell RDS's with a forever, we will replace it no matter what guarantee?

    Has there never been an EOTech or an Aimpoint destroyed by a piece of shrapnel?

    Those are things folks worry about in their SHTF HD or EOTW scenarios.

    As a shooter I don't care one way or the other, the M4ish that I talked about in an earlier post has an optic on it because I had one sitting in the little safe. I most often take it to the range with irons, I have other rifles that I shot more often, some with BUIS, more without.

    I mentioned what I mentioned because I was trying to be constructive and add to the thread.
    Literally anything can fail...so whats the point on espousing importance of running a BUIS? Ive had what many consider a top tier BUIS fail when all it did was sit on top my rifle folded. Flipped it up one day and it wouldn't stay up like it had erectile dysfunction. Ive never had any of my aimpoints fail and they probably take more impact than my folded irons ever did.

    People in this thread keep talking like irons are some infallible sighting system when nothing can be further from the truth. And the truth ****ing hurts, my aimpoint can withstand far more abuse than any folding BUIS ever will.

    Run a BUIS or dont run a BUIS. In the end it doesnt really matter, its just minutiae that people waste their time talking about. And its not even fun minutiae like what HD ammo should I buy.
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    There are much more trivial subject that get discussed than the use or lack of BUIS.

    We ARE in the age of having so many options for quality optics that it’s near crazy.
    The likelihood of a quality optic failing is small. But, ANYTHING can fail.

    There is no wrong answer on this topic,.......only opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hk_shootr View Post
    Knights sights are my preferred choice
    MBUS Pro as a second
    MBUS as a cheap alternative
    Plus 1 here
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    Literally anything can fail...so whats the point on espousing importance of running a BUIS? Ive had what many consider a top tier BUIS fail when all it did was sit on top my rifle folded. Flipped it up one day and it wouldn't stay up like it had erectile dysfunction. Ive never had any of my aimpoints fail and they probably take more impact than my folded irons ever did.

    People in this thread keep talking like irons are some infallible sighting system when nothing can be further from the truth. And the truth ****ing hurts, my aimpoint can withstand far more abuse than any folding BUIS ever will.

    Run a BUIS or dont run a BUIS. In the end it doesnt really matter, its just minutiae that people waste their time talking about. And its not even fun minutiae like what HD ammo should I buy.
    Exactly. So, at the risk of being accused of generalizing again, iron sights are a hold-over from a bygone era. Mark my words: in twenty years, iron sights (and BUIS in particular) will fade out of existance. But at the present, BUIS are the gun world's security blanket....unnecessary and carried only because of fear, but eventually outgrown. The gun community is some of the most change-resistant folks that I have ever met.

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    I have a set of Troys but I’ll buy no more. They hired Jody Weis an anti gun former Chicago cop. They did get rid of him, but only after they defended him and lied about Their relationship to their sister company. Then they hired Dale Monroe of Ruby Ridge fame.
    Now DD can eat a bowl of alphabet soup and choke on the D too. Marty Daniel came out in support of “Fix the NICS” yesterday.

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