FN-15 What's the consensus? new Roll Mark

[5.56 Bonded SP]

So you’re saying FN can not use the TDP to produce civilian ar’s but Colt can? Why?

Because Colt owns the TDP, and FN only got to use it for military contracts; or something along those lines. I believe the reason this thread has so few replies is because more seasoned guys are probably tired of constantly going over the same subject. I'm actually surprised this thread hasn't been locked.

The TDP isn't really the issue so much as FN making their FN15 a commercial rifle instead of a duty rifle. Just read other threads and you will find more articulate answers than I can provide. Basically, you are better of buying a BCM, Colt, DD, or something along those lines.

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in.../t-114951.html

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...FN15-to-LE6920

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...-own-AR/page11

[Slater]

Supposedly their basic FN-15 has been discontinued:

https://fnamerica.com/discontinued-products/

[RHINOWSO]

Supposedly their basic FN-15 has been discontinued:

https://fnamerica.com/discontinued-products/

Probably limited demand for a 20" barreled AR with FSP and rifle stock.

[DoubleW]

Probably limited demand for a 20" barreled AR with FSP and rifle stock.

Yet Colt cannot keep their A4 in stock. They sell out almost instantly anytime they become available. I actually love shooting 20” guns. I think they’re a lot more popular than people think.

[mdrums]

Thanks....I own a Colt and. Knights...just wondering about the FN is all...appreciated the replies.

Because Colt owns the TDP, and FN only got to use it for military contracts; or something along those lines. I believe the reason this thread has so few replies is because more seasoned guys are probably tired of constantly going over the same subject. I'm actually surprised this thread hasn't been locked.

The TDP isn't really the issue so much as FN making their FN15 a commercial rifle instead of a duty rifle. Just read other threads and you will find more articulate answers than I can provide. Basically, you are better of buying a BCM, Colt, DD, or something along those lines.

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in.../t-114951.html

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...FN15-to-LE6920

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...-own-AR/page11

[pwjp2011]

I have several FN guns including a Browning Hipower. FN doesnt make junk. I also have a Colt AR15.

Unless you get the FN at a substantial discount relative to the Colt there is no reason not to buy the Colt. Colt is the standard but that does not mean the FN is junk. Both work fine.

If given a choice between Colt and FN if the price is the same I would just pick Colt.

[Thrasos]

Because Colt owns the TDP, and FN only got to use it for military contracts; or something along those lines. I believe the reason this thread has so few replies is because more seasoned guys are probably tired of constantly going over the same subject. I'm actually surprised this thread hasn't been locked.

The TDP isn't really the issue so much as FN making their FN15 a commercial rifle instead of a duty rifle. Just read other threads and you will find more articulate answers than I can provide. Basically, you are better of buying a BCM, Colt, DD, or something along those lines.

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in.../t-114951.html

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...FN15-to-LE6920

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...-own-AR/page11

I don't think this is entirely accurate. While Colt owns the TDP, the TDP can only be used for their military products. Commercial products are mil-spec, and not made to the exact TDP. I believe this is due to the nature of the military contract.

As an aside, I own a Tac II. FN guarantees 3 MOA out of the box. I consistently shot 2 MOA tactical zero with irons and IMI 5.56 55 grain. I have 62 grain and 75 grain ammo that I will feed it soon and see which one it likes the best. The biggest beef I have with the rifle is the 3 prong flash hider. While it works brilliantly as a flash hider, it is heavy and makes for repeated maneuvering more of a chore. A standard birdcage would have been better. The second issue I have is that it is expensive. Even if you got a deal on it, you probably won't find it for less than $1350-1400. The rifle is GTG, but for MSRP $1599 it better be. Oh, and despite what the reviews have said, I found the FN enhanced combat trigger to be better than anticipated. Is it as good as something like an Elf Match drop in? No, but for mil-spec, it's a solid piece. The Colt 6960 is comparable and represents a better value imho. If I had to do it over again, I would probably would have purchased HM Defense M5 for $1100, or gotten a 6920 and an AK for the same money as a Tac II. If you like nicer things, then spend a bit more for a Wilson Ranger, or a lot more for an HK 416.

[coburna]

One thing I’ve found about this forum from being a member and watching for 10 years. No one knows a damn thing about what’s “mil-spec” and what isn’t. A guy will ask a question about a quality and 50% will say they are mil-spec and the other half will say they aren’t. Just shoot your rifles and quit asking if the military has the same exact materials, specs, shininess.

[robbins290]

Several threads about this, I asked the same question here too.

FN can't use the tdp to produce civilian guns. Their military contract guns are built with better materials to higher standards.

This has been documented with things such as receiver extensions made out of lower grades of aluminum, no castle nut staking, and various other things.
After a LOT of research I learned the civilian variants are not even in the same league as the military counterparts.

After a lot of research I learned that the colt6920, scionics, danial defense, and many other companies products are built to a higher standard with better parts than the civilian FN guns... And for better prices.

I found it to be a bummer because I really like the FN rollmark, but in the end one is way better off buying a Colt.

I have 2 FN 15's. One patrol carbine and one tact II something. Both been good s far, The castle nut is stacked on both.

[Hammer_Man]

One thing I’ve found about this forum from being a member and watching for 10 years. No one knows a damn thing about what’s “mil-spec” and what isn’t. A guy will ask a question about a quality and 50% will say they are mil-spec and the other half will say they aren’t. Just shoot your rifles and quit asking if the military has the same exact materials, specs, shininess.

I have 2 FN 15's. One patrol carbine and one tact II something. Both been good s far, The castle nut is stacked on both.

If I were in the market for an off the shelf AR, I’d take a hard look at a new FN. Their quality these days seems top notch. Their M16A4 and M4A1 collector’s edition catches my eye every time I see one.