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    Receiver markings for SBRs

    Both myself and my dad are real close to finding and filing the paperwork for our own SBRs, but we've been struggling with deciding to go the Form 1 or Form 4 route. I was thinking more Form 4, under the impression it would keep my information off of the gun. A little Google-action later, and I come up with this:

    http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17660


    Specifically, here's the letter the man received from the ATF:




    Let me repeat the last paragraph for emphasis.

    While our advice that "there is no requirement for you to add any additional markings to the receiver after the approved SBR modifications are completed" is correct, we were remiss in advising you that the maker is required to identify the firearm with his or her name, city, and state. These markings, as provided in § 479.102, may be placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel. Accordingly, you can place your name, city, and state on the barrel of the firearm.
    The ATF is saying they were remiss in advising that the maker is required to identify the firearm with his or her name, city, and state. I'm correct in my understanding that this means they were negligent in advising that you, the maker of the NFA item, to add your information to the weapon?

    I see a lot of folks with markings on their guns, but if I'm reading that letter correctly and I don't have to add anything to the gun if I'm altering an existing firearm into an SBR...


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    Don't know as I'm not a lawyer. I mark mine, I highly doubt I'll ever get into trouble for marking it. I abbreviate my Trusts name and then put the city/state. I also put exactly what I engraved on the lower on the Form 1 where 'additional description' is specified. That way there's no question that it's the lower on the Form 1 even though it's redundant since the original manufacturer name and serial number are on it as well.
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    Oh, I know the engraving can't hurt, but if I can not do it I'd be tickled to death that I didn't have to mark up my weapon unnecessarily.

    The third paragraph states that you should use the existing serial number and adopt the current manufacturer markings. Which means... if I were to convert the weapon to an SBR, I would adopt the existing information on the receiver in lieu of my own?


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    I read that as basically saying: "You don't have to mark the receiver, but you DO have to mark the firearm with your name, city and state somewhere. You can choose to mark the frame, receiver or barrel."

    I chose the receiver, as that's the only portion of the weapon with the serial number that corresponds to my Form 1.

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    "Remiss" means they did not, due to carelessness, tell him he had to mark his firearm.

    You have misread this.

    You have to mark any NFA firearm you make and register on a Form 1.

    "Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified?

    (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must
    legibly identify the firearm as follows:

    (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise
    conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped
    (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain
    additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not
    susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For
    firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,
    the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information
    must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information
    includes:
    (i) The model, if such designation has been made;
    (ii) The caliber or gauge;
    (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when
    applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
    (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State
    (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer
    maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the
    firearm;"

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    Okay, so effectively the ATF is full of it then. Reading the letter would read something quite different than the letter of the law; the letter states that no other markings are necessary beyond those already on it, but the law states that your name (or the name of the trust) and the state where the NFA weapon is made must also be on it. I am correct in reading that I would be the maker if I was the one putting together an SBR, and that makers and manufacturers are separate entities, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by khc3 View Post
    "Remiss" means they did not, due to carelessness, tell him he had to mark his firearm.
    Actually, that is not what the letter says. It says they they were "remiss" in telling him that he DID have to mark the receiver. It could also be on the barrel, for example. Plain english
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    Quote Originally Posted by eguns-com View Post
    Actually, that is not what the letter says. It says they they were "remiss" in telling him that he DID have to mark the receiver. It could also be on the barrel, for example. Plain english

    Hmmm, no.

    Please reread it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
    I am correct in reading that I would be the maker if I was the one putting together an SBR, and that makers and manufacturers are separate entities, right?


    -B

    Correct. Manufacturers have a license; makers do not.

    The Form 1 is an "Application to Make and Register a [NFA] Firearm."

    From 27 CFR 479.11 "Meaning of Terms:"

    "Make. This term and the various derivatives thereof shall include
    manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage in such business
    under this part), putting together, altering, any combination of these,
    or otherwise producing a [NFA] firearm."

    So, any act, such as cutting a barrel, adding a buttstock, swapping an upper, all the way to making from bar stock, which produces a NFA firearm, is considered "making," when done by a non-licensee.

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    Here are the regulations that I follow. They are from the BATFE NFA handbook. It says specifically that if the weapon you are registering is an existing firearm then you should use the original manufactuers information and serial number. That comes form section 6.2.1 of the handbook. The following
    sections are what I go by 6.1, 6.2, ang 6.2.1. They can be found in the sticky thread at the top of the page ( link at the ATF NFA handbook). I do not mark my weapons, but I guess everyone has to make there own decision.


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