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    They told me it has to be marked when I spoke to the WV office (304) 616-4500.....they even gave me the specs I needed to follow to make the engraving legal. You should call them like I did to get the info from the horse's mouth rather than go by a letter you found on the internet that was mailed to someone else back in 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockshooter View Post
    Here are the regulations that I follow. They are from the BATFE NFA handbook. It says specifically that if the weapon you are registering is an existing firearm then you should use the original manufactuers information and serial number. That comes form section 6.2.1 of the handbook. The following
    sections are what I go by 6.1, 6.2, ang 6.2.1. They can be found in the sticky thread at the top of the page ( link at the ATF NFA handbook). I do not mark my weapons, but I guess everyone has to make there own decision.


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    See, you're not the only one whose said they don't mark their weapons, either. In fact, it seems there's quite a number of people who don't. I realize it's "only a letter", and from a couple years ago at that, but that letter is one of a number of things driving an idea that one doesn't need to mark their own weapons.

    Clear as mud. Looks like a phone call it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by glockshooter View Post
    Here are the regulations that I follow. They are from the BATFE NFA handbook. It says specifically that if the weapon you are registering is an existing firearm then you should use the original manufactuers information and serial number. That comes form section 6.2.1 of the handbook. The following
    sections are what I go by 6.1, 6.2, ang 6.2.1. They can be found in the sticky thread at the top of the page ( link at the ATF NFA handbook). I do not mark my weapons, but I guess everyone has to make there own decision.


    Matt

    Personally, I wouldn't rely on what's written in a handbook or summary, when the actual regulations are easily available.

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    If I remember correctly, a similar letter was issued to someone else about two years ago. It was later retracted and a clarification was issued where the manufacturer's information that were placed on the barrel or the upper receiver does not meet the legal marking requirement because these were not the registered parts of the rifle nor do they have Serial numbers that have to be included on the Form 1.

    I don't know what the big deal about have your information engraved onto the (lower) receiver is. I do know it's not worth risking time in Federal Prison. JM2CW.
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    And I don't think I would trust a letter with another name on it to keep me out of jail. It was to address the original person's issue not yours. Besides, it seems the ATF changes their collective mind more than my wife...

    You could get the info engraved in the trigger guard area. Some engravers do that and it costs a little more...

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    I don't have my lowers engraved. There's nothing on my line 4h. But someone here posted that he felt that line 4h is for "other" markings like "Molon Labe" or some such nonsense.

    I don't object to engraving info. I just don't feel like getting it done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    I don't have my lowers engraved. There's nothing on my line 4h. But someone here posted that he felt that line 4h is for "other" markings like "Molon Labe" or some such nonsense.

    I don't object to engraving info. I just don't feel like getting it done.
    That's your perogative, but your weapons are contraband as a result.

    The Federal Regulations on this are quite clear on what markings are required and where they must be placed on the weapon. Failing to meet those requirements, fully, moves your weapon from the "legal" column to the "contraband" column. ATF has been quite clear in the past that once an NFA item becomes contraband, it can never go back to being legal, ever.

    Yeah, it may never be an issue for you.

    But relying on blind luck or the good graces of ATF isn't exactly a sound legal strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtk View Post
    your weapons are contraband as a result.
    That's your opinion.

    My papers match my guns exactly, as I've said a hundred times. If the Govt wants to get me, they're going to do it regardless of some silly engravings.
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    The interpretation of the law can go either way. I engrave, my choice as to the way I read the law.

    FWIW if an ATF agent is scrutinizing your lowers engraving or lack of engraving on your SBR lower you probably have other WAY more important problems that have gotten the attention of the ATF in the first place.
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    FWIW if an ATF agent is scrutinizing your lowers engraving or lack of engraving on your SBR lower you probably have other WAY more important problems that have gotten the attention of the ATF in the first place.
    Robb I agree with you on this point.

    I will also say that the big problem with ATF is there are to many opinions. The individual examiners should have no opinion about what is or is not correct/ legal. As a little back ground on me. I am a police officer, and I have worked part time for a class 3/ SOT dealer for about ten years. The examiner that we have is a female. I do not recall her name, but she said the receivers do not need to be marked. Now is that to say this is THE way, not necessarily. The way that I read the regs there is no requirement to mark my receiver unless I am making the weapon from scratch. Now as I said before YOU have to do what you believe is right.

    On another point, the same examiner told us how to get a multi caliber multi barrel length form approved. She also sent us an example of how to fill out a multi caliber/ barrel length form. I have one in my hand right now for the doubters


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