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    Also heard that the shooter had a carry permit, to my knowledge, this is the 1st case of a permit holder in a mass shooting. Frig libs are going to play this up.

    This guy appeared to be bent on shooting someone regardless of carry status. Cop said he was wearing ear and eye protection similar to what a person would wear at a range. Would be interesting to know his motive, if he had one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platoonDaddy View Post
    Would be interesting to know his motive, if he had one.
    https://youtube.com/channel/UCDYWxRa...4GEOAw/videos#

    Link to the perp's YouTube channel. Schizophrenia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Well, at least the OSBI Director is honest:

    The bureau of investigation, which issues handgun licenses, had said the bill would cost the agency about $4.7 million annually and result in the loss of about 60 full-time positions.

    "The impact on public safety is unquantifiable," bureau Director Bob Ricks said in a statement.


    Now, that is a new spin:

    Enacting more firearms regulations creates new jobs, relaxing regulations costs jobs.
    And any local businesses that object could simply put up those "no guns" signs which would simply require people to carry concealed as before. The loss of jobs thing is bullshit, we don't need commissars anyway.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platoonDaddy View Post
    Also heard that the shooter had a carry permit, to my knowledge, this is the 1st case of a permit holder in a mass shooting. Frig libs are going to play this up.

    This guy appeared to be bent on shooting someone regardless of carry status. Cop said he was wearing ear and eye protection similar to what a person would wear at a range. Would be interesting to know his motive, if he had one.
    He was certified as an Armed Security Guard by CLEET (our version of POST). CLEET is in such disarray as an organization there is discussion of disbanding it or transferring responsibilities to the Department of Public Safety (Highway Patrol).

    Things have gotten so bad; at the state academy they no longer teach driving and no longer shoot and qualify with any long guns, pistols only. The place is a joke.

    (Very blessed we have our own in-house academy!)

    So to hear he was carded is not surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZGXtreme View Post
    He was certified as an Armed Security Guard by CLEET (our version of POST). CLEET is in such disarray as an organization there is discussion of disbanding it or transferring responsibilities to the Department of Public Safety (Highway Patrol).

    Things have gotten so bad; at the state academy they no longer teach driving and no longer shoot and qualify with any long guns, pistols only. The place is a joke.

    (Very blessed we have our own in-house academy!)

    So to hear he was carded is not surprising.
    I'm sorry to hear that CLEET is in such disarray.

    I don't want to get into a peeing match about agencies, that isn't my intent.

    I've been around training since 1979. In that time I've visited states that had the State Police or Highway Patrol running training.

    Not saying this would be the case in Oklahoma, but in most of the examples I've seen the local LEO's get short shrift.

    It's danged if you do and danged if you don't - if you intermix classes (which none that I know of currently do) you get more emphasis on highway patrol stuff (not just traffic - but agency specific stuff) that isn't relevant to the local LEO.

    If you run separate classes then I believe there is a tendency for the staff to not give their best effort, or constantly remind the recruits they ain't HP. I've heard this from Troops who work at those Academies.

    I think the best thing would be to run everyone through the same initial, say 9 weeks of training as a group, that way your Troopers, your Deputies, and your City Officers all have something in common. Maybe have an assigned basic class number and a graduation for 'Law Enforcement Core Competency Class #101.' Once again, this would give all officers in the state commonality and hopefully collegiality.
    Then let the Troopers go on to their Agency's training and the other officers finish the State Academy's training. Then the final graduation and certification as LEO's.

    I think one of CLEET's problems was funding, wasn't it? Probably politics was another, huh?
    Last edited by 26 Inf; 05-26-18 at 18:32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    I'm sorry to hear that CLEET is in such disarray.

    I don't want to get into a peeing match about agencies, that isn't my intent.

    I've been around training since 1979. In that time I've visited states that had the State Police or Highway Patrol running training.

    Not saying this would be the case in Oklahoma, but in most of the examples I've seen the local LEO's get short shrift.

    It's danged if you do and danged if you don't - if you intermix classes (which none that I know of currently do) you get more emphasis on highway patrol stuff (not just traffic - but agency specific stuff) that isn't relevant to the local LEO.

    If you run separate classes then I believe there is a tendency for the staff to not give their best effort, or constantly remind the recruits they ain't HP. I've heard this from Troops who work at those Academies.

    I think the best thing would be to run everyone through the same initial, say 9 weeks of training as a group, that way your Troopers, your Deputies, and your City Officers all have something in common. Maybe have an assigned basic class number and a graduation for 'Law Enforcement Core Competency Class #101.' Once again, this would give all officers in the state commonality and hopefully collegiality.
    Then let the Troopers go on to their Agency's training and the other officers finish the State Academy's training. Then the final graduation and certification as LEO's.

    I think one of CLEET's problems was funding, wasn't it? Probably politics was another, huh?
    Finding was one issue. It’s always been somewhat of a joke and certainly was when I attended in 2005. It’s really been designed for “no officer left behind” and it only got worse when they opened their new facility.

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