AF losing stuff

[Slater]

It was a B-52 from Minot that flew the nuclear-armed cruise missiles down to Barksdale AFB a few years ago.

[Dienekes]

It was a B-52 from Minot that flew the nuclear-armed cruise missiles down to Barksdale AFB a few years ago.

Yep. Compared to that a missing M240 is small potatoes. Enough to cost a base commander his job, though.

[Moose-Knuckle]

It was a B-52 from Minot that flew the nuclear-armed cruise missiles down to Barksdale AFB a few years ago.

Is that the flight that ejected a nuke into a muddy river bank and it's still missing to this day?

I thought I was reading Ian Fleming's Thunderball when I was reading about that one.

[Slater]

No, no dropped/jettisoned weapons in this incident.

[Moose-Knuckle]

No, no dropped/jettisoned weapons in this incident.

Found it, so this is what you were talking about. A Bent Spear incident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_U...apons_incident


The incident I was thinking about was one of the B-52 crashes that happened in 1961 where the weapon has never been recovered.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/17483...ns-us-has-lost

[ABNAK]

I'm not sure how they handle this now, but...
lock everyone down and no one goes to an appointment, birth of a child, home to change clothes or get a shower and just start tearing the place apart.
The more painful it becomes for everyone involved, the quicker it will appear.
It didn't waalk out of the arms room on it's own and everyone has a first and second line Supervisor they all have to pay.

BTDT. The .mil don't play when it comes to sensitive items!

[BrigandTwoFour]

BTDT. The .mil don't play when it comes to sensitive items!

One of the [recurring] problems is that the "burn them all" philosophy worked fine when there were 600,000+ people. Ruining the careers of 10-20 at a time was no big deal when you had ready replacement.

The issue facing the Air Force, at all unit and not just this one, is that everyone is already at 40-60% of the manning they should have. Four years ago, Malmstrom AFB suspended a little less than half of their ICBM crew force (200ish total, 90 suspended) to investigate a cheating scandal (that involved 5 people). There is no way to make up that gap. The alerts still have to happen, 2 officers per launch center, 15 launch centers) and now there are even less people to do them with. Group punishment had its place in SAC, but it starts to lose its effectiveness when the only way to make up for it and still meet mission objectives is to take even more shortcuts.

[ABNAK]

One of the [recurring] problems is that the "burn them all" philosophy worked fine when there were 600,000+ people. Ruining the careers of 10-20 at a time was no big deal when you had ready replacement.

The issue facing the Air Force, at all unit and not just this one, is that everyone is already at 40-60% of the manning they should have. Four years ago, Malmstrom AFB suspended a little less than half of their ICBM crew force (200ish total, 90 suspended) to investigate a cheating scandal (that involved 5 people). There is no way to make up that gap. The alerts still have to happen, 2 officers per launch center, 15 launch centers) and now there are even less people to do them with. Group punishment had its place in SAC, but it starts to lose its effectiveness when the only way to make up for it and still meet mission objectives is to take even more shortcuts.

I didn't say I agreed with "group punishment" but it is what it is. That's how .mil plays it. Shit rolls downhill but also rolls uphill too.

Given the general unaccountability in our society today the military goes 180 degrees the opposite, but it always has crushed folks up or down the problem-chain. Just the way it is and has been.

[SeriousStudent]

Yeah, my first thought was "Somebody's going to smoke a turd over this."

I can remember spending three days dragging a river looking for a missing M-16A2. The poor kid that lost it damn near committed ritual seppuku when we could not find it.

And that was not a belt-fed or a can of HEDP.

Yep. A big fat moist juicy turd.....