9mm Subgun Viable for Home Defense?

[indianalex01]

But do recall, .223 tends to penetrate less than 9mm contrary to what may seem common sense, so perhaps less likely to strike you as it does not pass through walls like they are not there. I was not there and don't know the details, so just general observation to your comments and possible food for thought on the overall topic.

223 has more penetrating then 9mm. Shot a vest and see what happens. No even close.

[MountainRaven]

223 has more penetrating then 9mm. Shot a vest and see what happens. No even close.

Did you shoot the vest through dry wall and 2x4s?

[WillBrink]

223 has more penetrating then 9mm. Shot a vest and see what happens. No even close.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is .223 does not penetrate dry wall, 2x4, etc compared to 9mm, and thus, in the situation you were talking about, may actually present a lower risk. It's counter intuitive to think .223 fails to penetrate compared to 9mm in homes, but it's true. That's well established. Obviously there's a lot of potential variables, and my only point was perhaps, with walls between you, may actually be safer with .223. It's also why .223 may actually be better for HD. It was just added as point of potential interest.

[indianalex01]

My 9mm and .40 carbines kick more than my 5.56 guns. It’s not a huge difference but it’s noticeable.


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Then train her or get her some training.

[Defaultmp3]

Then train her or get her some training.

How does that in any way change that PCCs often have more recoil than their carbine counter parts? It's simply the nature of the beast, given how many PCCs are blowback guns. This is why the MPX dominates the PCC realm in USPSA, as it's not blowback like the various AR-types and the CZ Evo.

[indianalex01]

How does that in any way change that PCCs often have more recoil than their carbine counter parts? It's simply the nature of the beast, given how many PCCs are blowback guns. This is why the MPX dominates the PCC realm in USPSA, as it's not blowback like the various AR-types and the CZ Evo.

I ask you this in all seriousness. How is the clone MP5’s comparing to MPX in USPSA as far as recoil and such? Thanks in advance

[Rayrevolver]

How are you guys securing carbines with toddlers/kids running around? As much as I would like to keep a long gun handy I have not figured out a reasonable method to make it happen. The smallest footprint I have would be a suppressed MP5K with a folding brace but even then it would not be bedside.

I don't care a hoot if I lose a 2-stamp SBR or a MP5 clone during a HD situation. Being safe and stopping an attack is priority 1. Saving hearing is number 2.

[B Cart]

How are you guys securing carbines with toddlers/kids running around? As much as I would like to keep a long gun handy I have not figured out a reasonable method to make it happen.

My kids are still young enough (5, 3, and 3 months old) that I can keep my suppressed 300BLK on the top shelf of my bedroom closet and they can't get to it (and they don't know it's there anyway). Even still, I always keep the safety on with mag inserted on an empty chamber. In the rare off chance one of them was able to get it, the chance of them being able to figure out how to chamber a round and manipulate the safety at their age is slim. Once they get older, I will probably keep the 300BLK in a small closet safe like this https://www.amazon.com/BARSKA-Quick-.../dp/B005FDIUPE

[Defaultmp3]

I ask you this in all seriousness. How is the clone MP5’s comparing to MPX in USPSA as far as recoil and such? Thanks in advance

I honestly don't know. The roller lock systems will definitely be far better than the blowback systems, but anecdotally, there doesn't seem to be much difference unsuppressed.

[usmcvet]

Then train her or get her some training.

I don't have a "her" to train. I was making a comment. My Lady is a Marine Corps Combat Veteran. I did buy her a midlengh BCM and G19. She shoots very well.





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