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    [QUOTE=RHINOWSO;2633942]Steps 1 - infinity at that range are Shoot, then shoot some more.

    If someone is unable to affect a target at 10 yards with a loaded and functional modern semiautomatic rifle without sights, then they should just lean forward and choke themselves.[/QUOTE
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    Agreed w/shooting at that distance. But don’t you think there are some variables that are as likely to happen as not happen that might throw a wrench in that scenario?
    A couple that come to mind...
    1. Non combatants - what if you don’t have a clear line of fire to the threat? What if there isn’t much of a margin of error to miss, or if there is a margin of error, it’s very low? In other words what if it is not a “close enough for hand grenades” situation.
    2. Distance - what if the gunfight pushes out 30-50 yards, and you don’t have cover to decrease that distance and/or you have non combatants in play? So I have not shot my AR using the objective and front sight. Maybe making shots at that distance isn't difficult. But with the potential for friendlies in the mix, I would much rather make that shot with a rear and front sight picture than anything else.

    Just from my perspective, and I have never been in a gunfight with an AR, but I don't want to assume that any gunfight involving use of carbines is going to be 7-10 yards and a clean and clear fire lane.
    When does our friend Mr. Murphy show up? Whenever he wants to and at the least opportune time.
    That’s why I build my AR's the way I do. No it ain’t sexy. Yes, at first fixed rear sights were a PITA, it took training to be able to more or less ignore the rear sight when using either optic, but today it's a non-issue. I'll take unsexy, and an initial PITA setup any day if it gives me a better chance in a bad situation. Like i mentioned, I have never been in a AR gun fight, but the person who more or less taught me this mindset has about 96 months of being in those situations and more. That removed a whole lot of hypothetical for me.

    I don't imagine one can prepare for every single "what if" and I don't try to, but setting up my weapon to give me an edge, even a 1 second edge, in these kinds of situations is a no-brainer. I won't have to wonder about shooting with my Bravo Delta optic and front sight because I'm going to use my irons which are zero'd and ready for whatever is at hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    Steps 1 - infinity at that range are Shoot, then shoot some more.

    If someone is unable to affect a target at 10 yards with a loaded and functional modern semiautomatic rifle without sights, then they should just lean forward and choke themselves.
    Got that, running through it in that manner for those who haven't thought it through - going to BUIS in the middle of a close/semi-close gunfight - isn't an easy task unless you are running fixed, or have then already up.

    I had the steps in mind because I've practiced flipping up and deploying the BUIS on my SBR - yes, I fumbled around first time through with the ARMS, but quickly learned the secret.

    Lesson learned - unless you are in a covered position, or can deploy the sights, without slowing down, as you move to cover, don't bother. Finish the fight with what you got.
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    Standard magpul back up irons are cheap, light, effective, and tough. I believe they had the least drift and no breakage during a drop test with several other manufacturers. They flip up in an instant with a spring. There is no reason not too have one.

    I’m blown away with the amount of effort that we put in to get rid of the front sight post and carry handle, only to have folks then mount fixed sights, or even worse- leave a folding sight up. It really grinds my gears. If you’re so worried that you’ll be in a gunfight so furious that the moment your sight fails you won’t have any time to raise the buis, you need to play the lottery or get a better primary optic. You should wear body armor on a daily basis, because you never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    Steps 1 - infinity at that range are Shoot, then shoot some more.

    If someone is unable to affect a target at 10 yards with a loaded and functional modern semiautomatic rifle without sights, then they should just lean forward and choke themselves.
    Roger that LMFAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPM View Post
    Standard magpul back up irons are cheap, light, effective, and tough. I believe they had the least drift and no breakage during a drop test with several other manufacturers. They flip up in an instant with a spring. There is no reason not too have one.

    I’m blown away with the amount of effort that we put in to get rid of the front sight post and carry handle, only to have folks then mount fixed sights, or even worse- leave a folding sight up. It really grinds my gears. If you’re so worried that you’ll be in a gunfight so furious that the moment your sight fails you won’t have any time to raise the buis, you need to play the lottery or get a better primary optic. You should wear body armor on a daily basis, because you never know.
    What’s next? Extol the virtues of the plastic hand guards? Round or triangular? Let’s not mention the A1-A2 stocks. Who needs that pesky A5 system and an adjustable stock?

    Bro you’re my homeboy and all. But there are some good reasons carry handle uppers are only found on RETRO rifles.


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    My new 1/3 lower co-witness RDS mount arrived today, so I put it onto an upper with folding front and rear sights and headed to an indoor range.

    I fine tuned the 25 yard zero (haven't zeroed this upper at my preferred 50/200 yet), then turned off the optic. I moved the target to 50 feet and put 5 rounds into a roughly 5 inch group offset somewhat to the left of center. This was without raising the front sight. Had I taken the 3 seconds it takes to do so, I'm certain the group would have been smaller and better centered.

    I then removed the optic, shouldered the rifle and fired 5 more rounds, with both front and rear sights still folded. At 50 feet, 2 of the 5 bullets reached the target (not center mass hits, but would have had a useful affect nonetheless). I was going to move the target to 7 or 10 yards with the front sight up, but a new shooter had begun her first lesson in the lane next to me, so I packed up the left.

    I will continue my testing in the near future.

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    My go-to carbine, the one I will grab first in an emergency, has a fixed front sight and carry handle. Why? Because I know they will be there and I will hit what I aim at with them. Call me old fashioned or ignorant but it works for me. Even in low light or no light, using my wml I can hit what I aim at.
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    Every carbine I own get BUIS. Offsets go on guns with magnified optics. Cheap insurance if in a rare case you ever needed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertTheTexan View Post
    What’s next? Extol the virtues of the plastic hand guards? Round or triangular? Let’s not mention the A1-A2 stocks. Who needs that pesky A5 system and an adjustable stock?

    Bro you’re my homeboy and all. But there are some good reasons carry handle uppers are only found on RETRO rifles.


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    You missed my point. I’m advocating that, but I feel it’s antithetical to get rid of them only to put a smaller fixed sight in its place, in your view, after working so hard to get that clean sight picture without it. Get folding sights and leave ‘em down.
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