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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlander Systems View Post
    I absolutely have first-hand experience of BCM being hobby grade trash.
    I have too. And when posting on forum the psudo SMEs crush you to make sure that the bad press doesn't get out. It is cheaper to pay people to talk great about your product then to actually make one.
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    I don't doubt you guys, but I have far more BCM products than any other company and have had three or four of their uppers. None of them have more than a few thousand rounds through them but they've all been great so I haven't seen anything near hobby grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by docsherm View Post
    I have too. And when posting on forum the psudo SMEs crush you to make sure that the bad press doesn't get out. It is cheaper to pay people to talk great about your product then to actually make one.
    Aren't you the one who has SBR'd multiple Anderson lowers?

    That makes your opinion null and void. And here I thought you were supposed to be an SME.

    *sarcasm*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    I don't doubt you guys, but I have far more BCM products than any other company and have had three or four of their uppers. None of them have more than a few thousand rounds through them but they've all been great so I haven't seen anything near hobby grade.
    I read the hobby grade as "anything but mfgs who sell to major militaries in quantities other than for evaluation".

    I'd never equate BCM with PSA. I'm not a hater, but not a fanboy. Don't totally buy into the "meets the TDP", when the TDP is proprietary. I give them credit for trying to meet what is known of the TDP, but even FN and others is not allowed to use the TDP proprietary info in their commercial offerings. So if they legally had it, they could not use it. If they somehow have an old TDP, or even a current copy, they should not be talking about using it as it's not their proprietary info. ("proprietary", intellectual property, remember). That unless Colt gave them permission to use it, unlikely.

    I see BCM as a very well made rifle/carbine mfg. Some innovative products (KMR comes to mind). Could probably play and compete in the mil stuff if desired. I've tried to buy some of their stuff, but between the old website, not answering the phone or emails, and pricing relative to LMT/Colt/DD for comparable components, just usually went other directions.

    But BCM has not (to my knowledge, anyway) been a major contributor/developer/supplier/mfg for weapons in use by the US Army or allied countries armies. Nor has DD, or a bunch of other better than average mfgs. So while I would call them "hobby" or non-mil mfg's, that's still some decent company to be in.

    Also has publicly done some things that raised some eyebrows, but were within rights as a mfg. You hear great stories of cust service, and some problematic ones. Two in this thread. No mfg is immune from that.

    So I don't think most of us are equating BCM with PSA. I do think they get very strong support on the forum, and sometimes do get a pass where others do not. That has been debated, don't really want to debate it again. Especially given sponsorship of the forum, etc.

    But the club of mfg's who have developed innovations for and sold rifles issued to the US military is pretty small. Not talking security guard, border patrol, federal stuff. Weapons used by one or more US Military units in serious usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phixion View Post
    Aren't you the one who has SBR'd multiple Anderson lowers?

    That makes your opinion null and void. And here I thought you were supposed to be an SME.

    *sarcasm*
    Yes I have. As well as many other types. I have a ....... Wait for it....... A DPMS SBR that probably to 40k through it. And worst of all .... It works. Does it have a DPMS parts kit? No, it never did. It started out with a CMT parts kit and I have replaced as needed.


    Ido something crazy..... I test all of my stuff extremely well. I get what us around and use it. If it doesn't work, I replace it with something else.


    I got the sarcasm....... And I did LOL.....
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    Where are the 14.5" M4 barrels with FSBs these days?

    Quote Originally Posted by noonesshowmonkey View Post

    Correction. Colt, along with Daniel Defense barrels, are issued to face shooters; everything else is hobby grade. Thems the breaks.
    HK seems to be one of the major players today.

    Daniel Defense made shit over-gassed barrels for quite a few years.

    Being issued by DoD isn’t exclusively what determines quality of a barrel, or a company. If you believe this to be the case, you are a fool. Despite what you may believe, there are numerous agencies and departments operating inside CONUS, contractors, and foreign militaries that also use firearms.

    If the litmus test is wide-spread DoD issue, then I suppose Remington rifles are the only good bolt/actions and, for instance, my AI, which failed to secure a contract, is shit. We must assume the Sig P320 is super magical body-slayer grade, while a G19X is a failure pistol. Eotech must also be great...and there’s no reason to go with a T2 Aimpoint. Perhaps we need to discuss the merits of M193 over commercial ammo such as the Gold Dot or TSX, or how Leupold Scopes are superior to Benders and Kahles and they will get you killed.

    The DoD is about logistics, not premium items.


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    Quote Originally Posted by docsherm View Post
    Yes I have. As well as many other types. I have a ....... Wait for it....... A DPMS SBR that probably to 40k through it. And worst of all .... It works. Does it have a DPMS parts kit? No, it never did. It started out with a CMT parts kit and I have replaced as needed.


    Ido something crazy..... I test all of my stuff extremely well. I get what us around and use it. If it doesn't work, I replace it with something else.


    I got the sarcasm....... And I did LOL.....
    I think thats the crux of the quality issue right there. Companies with little or no QC like DPMS or PSA are like a box a chocolates. You might get something that works awesome or you might get some POS garbage part, sometimes an issue wont crop up till 1000's of rounds later. The ratio of works awesome to POS garbage parts is much less with companies that follow a QC standard like BCM, but it doesnt mean they wont put out something that doesnt work every once in a while.

    The difference is, YOU can actually identify problems and fix or replace things on your own. Thats why you can take less than reputable companies stuff and make them work. Your average user cant do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by docsherm View Post
    Advertising and paying people to stop any bad reviews on gun forums will make any company look like rock stars.

    Leave it to doc to rile up the natives.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinzgauer View Post
    I read the hobby grade as "anything but mfgs who sell to major militaries in quantities other than for evaluation".

    I'd never equate BCM with PSA. I'm not a hater, but not a fanboy. Don't totally buy into the "meets the TDP", when the TDP is proprietary. I give them credit for trying to meet what is known of the TDP, but even FN and others is not allowed to use the TDP proprietary info in their commercial offerings. So if they legally had it, they could not use it. If they somehow have an old TDP, or even a current copy, they should not be talking about using it as it's not their proprietary info. ("proprietary", intellectual property, remember). That unless Colt gave them permission to use it, unlikely.

    I see BCM as a very well made rifle/carbine mfg. Some innovative products (KMR comes to mind). Could probably play and compete in the mil stuff if desired. I've tried to buy some of their stuff, but between the old website, not answering the phone or emails, and pricing relative to LMT/Colt/DD for comparable components, just usually went other directions.

    But BCM has not (to my knowledge, anyway) been a major contributor/developer/supplier/mfg for weapons in use by the US Army or allied countries armies. Nor has DD, or a bunch of other better than average mfgs. So while I would call them "hobby" or non-mil mfg's, that's still some decent company to be in.

    Also has publicly done some things that raised some eyebrows, but were within rights as a mfg. You hear great stories of cust service, and some problematic ones. Two in this thread. No mfg is immune from that.

    So I don't think most of us are equating BCM with PSA. I do think they get very strong support on the forum, and sometimes do get a pass where others do not. That has been debated, don't really want to debate it again. Especially given sponsorship of the forum, etc.

    But the club of mfg's who have developed innovations for and sold rifles issued to the US military is pretty small. Not talking security guard, border patrol, federal stuff. Weapons used by one or more US Military units in serious usage.
    All fair points. I do think they were one of the major innovators over the last several years though. Most of their Gunfighter line introduced a new take on the concept from what I remember, at least in a large scale. The charging handle was the first with larger latches, aside from maybe replacement latches like from Badger Ordnance. I think their pistol grips and VFGs were also the first to offer the reduced angle. Magpul had not yet come out with the K2 or whatever their option is. The comp came after the Battle Comp I believe, so not necessarily the first hybrid FH/comp, but many early tests said that it was a better combo whereas the BC was more of a comp than FH. I think the design behind their stock was fairly new as well, and offered something extremely lightweight but still more durable than competitors.

    Again, this is all as I remember it and I'm sure they didn't have the first of anything, but as I said, on such a large scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertTheTexan View Post
    Leave it to doc to rile up the natives.....
    If they only knew just how strong with the LARP he really is though.....🤭


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