Originally Posted by
Averageman
I'm at the point with this where I'm really unconcerned about locking up someones kids if it fixes this. If I decided to shoplift something and I brought a child along as an accomplice, I'm pretty sure we would be "separated" when I went to jail, so why should someone doing the same crime at an international border be treated any differently?
Crossing that border illegally, needs to be a Felony the very first time someone does it, not the second, third or fourth.
That is a good analogy. The only difference is that your kids will be released to relatives as quickly as possible. Even if that isn't possible they will not be held under the same circumstances as these children. And, before you ask what we should do about the kids, I got no clue. We have nothing in place other than what they are doing, but I do believe we are doing these kids wrong.
If you recall we put the boat people in places such as Fort Chaffee:
http://ualrpublicradio.org/post/40-y...e-refugee-camp
Conditions weren't stellar, but families were together.
Originally Posted by
SomeOtherGuy
Completely logical. You will persuade no one because the left doesn't use, or often even understand, logic.
You are far too generous and not thinking ahead. We don't want these people here. We don't want them taking welfare, social security, free ER treatment (they aren't collectible and EMTALA mandates treatment), seats in our schools, police and fire services either as victim or perpetrator, etc. We don't want them having kids here who get magic birthright citizenship. If they don't qualify for legal immigration to the T, they need to be sent back, wherever, it's not our problem and we aren't responsible to take in the whole world, or even just the whole world's welfare cases.
A country, a state, is defined by its borders and control over those borders. Look up international law if you like, it's a foundational concept. If the putative country does not control and defend its borders, it is not a country at all.
The current wave of migration is not a soft, fuzzy issue where all can be made happy. There will be winners and losers. We can choose to be winners or losers, but we can't make everyone a winner. The people supporting illegal immigration are largely people who hate the "old white men" who built the USA, and are deliberately trying to make those men, and their descendants, the losers.
As a rhetorical gesture, ask any lefties if Canada or Mexico should be compelled to accept our unemployed, our criminals, and anyone else who was born here but doesn't have a nice comfy place in our society. When they say no, ask them - why not?
You make good points.
We need to secure the border first. Yeah, when a ship is taking water you bail/activate the bilge pumps, but at some point you fix the leak. We never have.
Why? It is just another problem passed on down to us peons because business profits from the immigrants, legal or illegal, they work cheaper and, for the most part, take jobs regular Americans don't want.
You seal the border, start throwing anyone who hires an illegal in jail - corporations the CEO gets a year, ma and pa lawn service pa gets a month, no questions asked. Then give illegals in the country a drop dead date to self-report, give them temp status (unless they have a felony record), and five years to learn English and become citizens. The problem will disappear inside a decade. Regardless of what we do, it will take time to fix.
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