China trade war and NoRK nukes connectedness

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Not that I'm fretting over the racial identity of this country, but why isn't it a problem now but it's racial genocide when "pasty white" folks have done the same in other countries in the past?

Hell even if "pasty white" folks change the economic identity of a neighborhood by legitimate investment and improvement it's called gentrification and it's explained as a type of "land theft." I don't buy into the racial argument, but I also don't accept the double standard. If we have to protect minority races and interests then we have to do it for everyone if we are going to honestly discuss equality in any way that is remotely meaningful.

You know, I didn't mean this to morph into city planning, but........most of the complaints regarding gentrification are because the improvements to the area are generally not affordable to the current residents of the area. As a result over time, sometimes quickly, the original classes of the area are pushed out and the character of the area changes, often losing the allure that begot the initial investment.

Kind of like Floridians talking about us 'Fvcking Northerners.'

What is more alarming is the tendency of everyone, regardless of affiliation, to go 'oh yeah, what about.....' recording a wrong to their 'side' in regards to even the most benign statements.

For instance, to you post I COULD reply that maybe it is because for most of the first 3/4 of the 20th Century, minorities were unable to buy homes or rent apartments in white neighborhoods. As St. Clair Drake and Horace Cayton noted in their book Black Metropolis: A Study of Negro Life in a Northern City this was in essence 'the invisible barbed-wire fence of restrictive covenants.'

All that would accomplish, is to motivate you to come up with another example. Let's not do that. I was merely refuting 7n6's 40,000,000 illegals most sane folks agree it is around 12,000,000 illegals.

Man, no wonder nothing gets done about anything.

[SteyrAUG]

You know, I didn't mean this to morph into city planning, but........most of the complaints regarding gentrification are because the improvements to the area are generally not affordable to the current residents of the area. As a result over time, sometimes quickly, the original classes of the area are pushed out and the character of the area changes, often losing the allure that begot the initial investment.

Kind of like Floridians talking about us 'Fvcking Northerners.'

What is more alarming is the tendency of everyone, regardless of affiliation, to go 'oh yeah, what about.....' recording a wrong to their 'side' in regards to even the most benign statements.

For instance, to you post I COULD reply that maybe it is because for most of the first 3/4 of the 20th Century, minorities were unable to buy homes or rent apartments in white neighborhoods. As St. Clair Drake and Horace Cayton noted in their book Black Metropolis: A Study of Negro Life in a Northern City this was in essence 'the invisible barbed-wire fence of restrictive covenants.'

All that would accomplish, is to motivate you to come up with another example. Let's not do that. I was merely refuting 7n6's 40,000,000 illegals most sane folks agree it is around 12,000,000 illegals.

Man, no wonder nothing gets done about anything.

Just so we are on the same page, nothing gets done about anything because race is an arbitrary visual qualifier that is almost meaningless at the genetic level and the only real difference is level of melanin and the level of efficiency in absorbing Vitamin D. And even that critical difference is nothing but a genetic hand me down based upon how close to the equator ones ancestors lived for the last 10,000 years or so.

Everything else is cultural and culture is a choice, which is why different cultures with different values exist. So the only thing I was really saying is, your reply about how our country will be a little more tan and that's nothing to worry about is no more or less offensive than other people worrying that our country isn't as "pasty white" as it used to be.

That's sort of how equality works, if it's ok for X then it has to be okay for Y otherwise X and Y are not equal. And if you take a statement about X and Y and reverse the variables and it suddenly sounds racists, then the original statement was equally racist.

As for economics and housing, gentrification is almost exclusively a bad word about how "pasty white" people fix a neighborhood to the point the "non pasty white" people can't afford to live there anymore. But a couple thousand years ago tanned Romans fed "pasty white" christians to the lions and that's lots worse than fair housing issues. So I figure I'm due pizza reparations and should be able to walk into any Italian pizzeria and get a free slice and a coke because my people were persecuted.

Otherwise we have to start with "everyone gets the same fair shot and no special exceptions" because that's equality. But I don't see that happening any time soon. There will always be people who identify with their melanin equivalents despite the fact that genetic exceptions destroy any attempt at a visual classification of homo sapiens.

We are all the same imperfect species, with varying degrees of imperfections and what we perceive as differences that almost borderline on distinction of species are little more than who left Africa when and everything else is just cultural.

ETA: You probably shouldn't worry about the opinions of Floridians regarding northerners, many Floridans are illegals anyway so they don't get a vote.

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Just so we are on the same page, nothing gets done about anything because race is an arbitrary visual qualifier that is almost meaningless at the genetic level and the only real difference is level of melanin and the level of efficiency in absorbing Vitamin D. And even that critical difference is nothing but a genetic hand me down based upon how close to the equator ones ancestors lived for the last 10,000 years or so.

Everything else is cultural and culture is a choice, which is why different cultures with different values exist. So the only thing I was really saying is, your reply about how our country will be a little more tan and that's nothing to worry about is no more or less offensive than other people worrying that our country isn't as "pasty white" as it used to be.

That's sort of how equality works, if it's ok for X then it has to be okay for Y otherwise X and Y are not equal. And if you take a statement about X and Y and reverse the variables and it suddenly sounds racists, then the original statement was equally racist.

As for economics and housing, gentrification is almost exclusively a bad word about how "pasty white" people fix a neighborhood to the point the "non pasty white" people can't afford to live there anymore.

That's funny, I've always viewed it as a moneyed versus un-moneyed thing instead of a color thing. If you are talking revitalizing neighborhoods for the good of the residents and long term success, you don't initially build housing that is out of reach of the area's residents. You stair step it. Your model works if the developer's goal is profit and leave.

One of the challenges to city planners is getting folks to jump from the suburbs back into the smoking donut hole that is the center of many cities. It doesn't work long term if you displace residents who aren't ready to leave.

In most of the examples we are talking about, the residents haven't fled the area because they cant afford to leave. As the area gentrifies they are displaced to either lower quality housing, or forced to go to housing they cant afford.

As I said, in most cases the area then loses the allure that brought the 'play bohemians' into the area and the displaced residents struggle to find housing.

But a couple thousand years ago tanned Romans fed "pasty white" christians to the lions and that's lots worse than fair housing issues. So I figure I'm due pizza reparations and should be able to walk into any Italian pizzeria and get a free slice and a coke because my people were persecuted.

You've just described why the much of the underdeveloped world is in the shape it is in - 'tribes' remembering affronts to their tribe which occurred generations ago.

Hey, I understand, we all have some degree of ethnocentricity, some more than others. Sad when it gets in the way.

[Business_Casual]

Fairly far off topic in record time!

[SteyrAUG]

That's funny, I've always viewed it as a moneyed versus un-moneyed thing instead of a color thing. If you are talking revitalizing neighborhoods for the good of the residents and long term success, you don't initially build housing that is out of reach of the area's residents. You stair step it. Your model works if the developer's goal is profit and leave.

One of the challenges to city planners is getting folks to jump from the suburbs back into the smoking donut hole that is the center of many cities. It doesn't work long term if you displace residents who aren't ready to leave.

In most of the examples we are talking about, the residents haven't fled the area because they cant afford to leave. As the area gentrifies they are displaced to either lower quality housing, or forced to go to housing they cant afford.

As I said, in most cases the area then loses the allure that brought the 'play bohemians' into the area and the displaced residents struggle to find housing.

In my experience, having spent more time with people who are "more tan/less pasty" than myself, whenever the issue is brought up it is usually presented in racial terms and often equated with the "white man stealing Indian land" and then when the speech is over, a lot of people turned around and looked at me.

I got profiled before it was even a word. As for tribalism, sadly that's probably the nature of our species since we define the world visually more than anything else. Not everyone understands genetic exceptions (that when you classify humans according to visual traits members of each group will frequently have more genetic commonality with other groups that they don't look like) and the enlightened aren't always completely enlightened.

But every time I hear somebody talk about "the white race" and how we need to band together, I always think about if I'd rather hang out with Charles Manson or Neil Tyson. Or if it's a tribal thing would I rather spend the day with the Clinton or Carl Sagan (assuming for a moment he was still alive). And growing up I was more about Bruce Lee than John Wayne so the whole tribalism / race thing was virtually meaningless to me.

Fairly far off topic in record time!

Yeah, sorry.

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But every time I hear somebody talk about "the white race" and how we need to band together, I always think about if I'd rather hang out with Charles Manson or Neil Tyson. Or if it's a tribal thing would I rather spend the day with the Clinton or Carl Sagan (assuming for a moment he was still alive). And growing up I was more about Bruce Lee than John Wayne so the whole tribalism / race thing was virtually meaningless to me.

Yeah, I'm the same way, so what were we discussing?

Yeah, sorry.

Me to!

[Averageman]

So apparently no increases in the expenditures in defence for NATO countries,the US pulls out.
And
No Brexit for the UK, no trade the US.

[Business_Casual]

Why do a deal with someone who won’t be in office in a month?

[SteyrAUG]

Why do a deal with someone who won’t be in office in a month?

Which player won't be in office a month from now?

[Averageman]

Which player won't be in office a month from now?

May.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/676653...t-us-deal-off/
In an extraordinary intervention timed to coincide with his UK visit, Mr Trump said Theresa May ignored his advice by opting for a soft Brexit strategy.

And he warned her any attempts to maintain close ties with the EU would make a lucrative US trade deal very unlikely.

Mr Trump said: “If they do a deal like that, we would be dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK, so it will probably kill the deal.”