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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
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    In an extraordinary intervention timed to coincide with his UK visit, Mr Trump said Theresa May ignored his advice by opting for a soft Brexit strategy.

    And he warned her any attempts to maintain close ties with the EU would make a lucrative US trade deal very unlikely.

    Mr Trump said: “If they do a deal like that, we would be dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK, so it will probably kill the deal.”
    And here I was hoping she would be the next Thatcher.
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    China thinks US should drop the trade war, oddly enough:

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...efense-budget/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Business_Casual View Post
    China thinks US should drop the trade war, oddly enough:

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...efense-budget/
    You know for someone who was on the "other side" of the wall, the German Chancellor certainly is not very cooperative with the people who financed the cold war that won her freedom is she?
    I really wouldn't blame the POTUS if we pulled out of Germany and moved lock, stock and barrel to Poland.
    The whole system in Germany is about screwing the US.

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    The whole Trump and Germany thing rings true though. I think the threat of pulling out of NATO is something the media is blowing up and ends up being a big nothing burger (shocking, I know) but the overall question he asks is largely ignored by the media.

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...ppet/23479949/

    Interesting fact in that article that Reuters claims 35% of German oil and gas come from Russia. With that likely to go up in the future with the new pipeline. How exactly can you defend yourself (in Germany's case) if Russia really wanted to apply the screws to them? I'm talking economically and militarily. Not saying Russia would cut their throats economically, but Putin is a grand political chess master and such things are on the board for him.

    Trump is correct in bringing up the NATO contributions as well as nations like Germany doing things like this. NATO and Germany wants to talk about the possible threat from Russia. But they put themselves in a position to be beholden to the same nation that's threatening them. They send in hard currency to Russia which in turn reinvests it in their military (possibly) and put themselves over the proverbial barrel by being far more dependent on a foreign source of energy from that same adversary.
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    I think it is worse than that. Russia is basically a commodity on the Chicago CME, prices up and Vlad is good, prices down and Vlad bad. Right? So we could, with the Saudis, flood the energy market and control Russia’s economy by proxy. But if our ally, whom we must defend by treaty, signs away all of their energy independence by engaging in a failed green renewables project and then fixing it by taking the majority of their energy from a strategic competitor, WTF? Top it off with them having to spend so much money on the migrants they let in that they can’t afford to fund a decent armored capability let alone train it and exercise it in theatre. I’d be pissed if I were Trump too. And leave them to deal with their own mess while I shift my focus to my greater strategic competitor.
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    European Countries decided rather than working with Russia and perhaps even investing in Russia, it was more prudent to kick them when they were down.
    I understand the hard feelings, but was that really the wisest move.
    Putin being in charge is in perhaps a result of a situation these guys helped create.
    Now they're getting their oil from a hard line Nationalist who has them on a string.
    In the meantime they import millions of unskilled labor in to their population who are a burden not an asset to the labor force, thus even further burdening the economy.
    The only logical way out of this is to work with Trump and offer free and unfettered trade to boost the economy they have.
    Instead they become more dependant on a failing EU and slap the hand that was extended to help them?
    I'm not impressed by Merkel and I'm not seeing GB understanding the natural eventual results of what is happening.
    We don't need to support NATO if it's members choose to petulant children.
    Five Billion in fines on Google, really? I've yet to see how these trade wars benefit an economy and I have yet to see how Germany plays fair. They're really not helping themselves in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    7n6 - reporting for duty as your Jiminy Cricket (hand salute, ready, two)

    Where are you getting your stats? Because this is what I come up with:

    Studies have shown that 40 million foreign born residents live in the US. Of that population, 11.7 million are undocumented. https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/...ll_pe_2009.pdf

    According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows (figures from 2014):

    Attachment 52809

    The Urban Institute also estimates that between 65,000 and 75,000 Canadians currently live illegally in the United States (2008). http://www.wweek.com/portland/articl...l-eh-lien.html

    Western Civilization, i.e. Christian European centrist society- is to survive, it will be in Eastern Europe.

    Unless you are not counting Catholics as Christians all is not lost. What is probably even more illuminating is this:

    Hispanic Identity Fades Across Generations as Immigrant Connections Fall Away

    More than 18% of Americans identify as Hispanic or Latino, the nation’s second largest racial or ethnic group. But two trends – a long-standing high intermarriage rate and a decade of declining Latin American immigration – are distancing some Americans with Hispanic ancestry from the life experiences of earlier generations, reducing the likelihood they call themselves Hispanic or Latino.

    Among the estimated 42.7 million U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry in 2015, nine-in-ten (89%), or about 37.8 million, self-identify as Hispanic or Latino. But another 5 million (11%) do not consider themselves Hispanic or Latino, according to Pew Research Center estimates. The closer they are to their immigrant roots, the more likely Americans with Hispanic ancestry are to identify as Hispanic.

    The closer they are to their immigrant roots, the more likely Americans with Hispanic ancestry are to identify as Hispanic. Nearly all immigrant adults from Latin America or Spain (97%) say they are Hispanic. Similarly, second-generation adults with Hispanic ancestry (the U.S.-born children of at least one immigrant parent) have nearly as high a Hispanic self-identification rate (92%), according to Pew Research Center estimates.

    By the third generation – a group made up of the U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and immigrant grandparents – the share that self-identifies as Hispanic falls to 77%. And by the fourth or higher generation (U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and U.S.-born grandparents, or even more distant relatives), just half of U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry say they are Hispanic.

    Declining immigration, high intermarriage rates

    Immigration from Latin America played a central role in the U.S. Hispanic population’s growth and its identity during the 1980s and 1990s. But by the 2000s, U.S. births overtook the arrival of new immigrants as the main driver of Hispanic population dynamics. And the Great Recession, coupled with many other factors, significantly slowed the flow of new immigrants into the country, especially from Mexico.

    As a result, the U.S. Hispanic population is still growing, but at a rate nearly half of what it was over a decade ago as fewer immigrants arrive in the U.S. and the fertility rate among Hispanic women has declined.

    In 2015, 25.1% of Latino newlyweds married a non-Latino spouse and 18.3% of all married Latinos were intermarried; in 1980, 26.4% of Latino newlyweds intermarried and 18.1% of all married Latinos had a non-Latino spouse, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data.

    In both 1980 and 2015, Latino intermarried rates were higher than those for blacks or whites.

    As a result of high intermarriage rates, some of today’s Latinos have parents or grandparents of mixed heritage, with that share higher among later generations. According to the surveys, 18% of immigrants say that they have a non-Latino parent or grandparent in their family, a share that rises to 29% among the second generation and 65% among the third or higher generation, according to the Pew Research Center survey of self-identified Latino adults.

    These trends also have implications for the future of Hispanic identity in the U.S. Lower immigration levels than in the past and continued high intermarriage rates may combine to produce a growing number of U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestors who may not identify as Hispanic or Latino.

    AND HERE, MY FRIENDS, IS THE BOMBSHELL:

    And even among those who do self-identify as Hispanic or Latino, those in the second and third or higher generations may see their identity as more tied to the U.S. than to the origins of their parents, a pattern observed in many previous5 Pew Research Center Latino surveys.


    The survey is worth a read: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/12/2...ons-fall-away/

    My take: We are going to end up as a light tannish, largely Christian population, versus the pasty white, largely Christian population of a a century or so ago.

    So, don fret too much.

    We still don't need open borders though

    Well the numbers of actual illegal aliens in the country has been skewed for decades so pardon me if I don't believe the .gov source you provided.

    Fact is NO ONE knows exactly how many "undocumented migrants" there are here since they are not . . . wait for it . . . documented.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post

    All that would accomplish, is to motivate you to come up with another example. Let's not do that. I was merely refuting 7n6's 40,000,000 illegals most sane folks agree it is around 12,000,000 illegals.

    That 11 million illegal aliens residing in the USA stat that NPR quotes- hasn't been updated since 2003 and is purposely downplayed by leftists to not alarm people just how bad the problem truly is. Even back then a lot of counties were fighting for government benefits for their illegal alien residents said that the government estimates for the actual numbers were to low. In fact the government statistics were so low that they even adjusted the US census at the time to reflect the large body of illegal aliens but still not reflect the real numbers living here. Sane folks like myself whom are red pilled and woke are not just digesting the MSM DNC narrative for our statistics. I stand by my statement that there are 40 million illegal aliens living within our country- maybe more.


    This is an older article as well.

    How many illegal aliens reside in the United States?

    "The mainstream media, whenever it actually mentions the number of illegal aliens living in the United States, categorically quotes the official government figure of 8-12 million. This number originated with the Department of Homeland Security, which in December 2003 estimated 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens resided in the United States and that 700,000 new illegals enter each year and remain in the country.1 Those stale, outdated estimates have not changed for over 13 years, even though the official annual increase alone would yield a corrected estimate of 15.7 million to 19.7 million illegal aliens today (not adjusting for Obama's unconstitutional 2014 executive amnesty)."
    ....

    "Alternative methodologies conclude that between 20 million and 40 million illegal aliens have evaded apprehension and live in the United States.

    The official number was questioned by D.A. King of The Dustin Inman Society in 2004. Subsequently, an in-depth analysis was published by Fred Elbel1,7. In 2007, The Social Contract published an entire issue addressing the numbers of illegal aliens in the US2.

    Nancy Boulton pointed out that two researchers at Bear Stearns Asset Management estimated that the number of illegal immigrants in 2005 could be as high as 20 million. Their figures were based on an analysis of the large discrepancy between official census estimates and growth in indicators such as remittances to the countries of origin, school enrollment and building permits.5,8"

    ...

    "The analysis by James H. Walsh notes that estimates compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau (USCB), national surveys, governmental agencies, philanthropic organizations, religious charities, nongovernment statistics-keeping agencies, and immigrant advocates range from 7 million to 20 million illegal aliens. Walsh concludes that the number is closer to 2 times 20 million, or 40 million."


    http://www.cairco.org/issues/how-man...-united-states


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    I've heard the number is thirty million and I believe that's in the ballpark.

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