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    Quote Originally Posted by ClangClang View Post
    Anyone who intentionally shoots guns without ear pro, especially multiple rounds worth, is an absolute buffoon. You incur hearing damage from single shot you fire. It is cumulative over time and the damage is irreversible. You only get one set of ears.

    If I thought a home invasion were a realistic concern, I would keep a set of amplifying ear muffs (Comtacs or Sordins, etc) next to my bed along with my pistol. If I were a real keyboard commando, I'd sleep with ear pro on so I'm always prepared to "get frosty" (I think that's what they say on Instagram).
    Do you CCW with earpro?

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    I usually double up on ear pro, whether indoor or out. Occasionally I forget to put the muffs back on, and it's noticable (under an awning)

    My first can finally cleared the ATF (20 months later....) and I shot one round without ear pro just for informational purposes. It was a bit like plugs without muffs - noticable but not painful. Regardless, I feel a lot better in that I won't deafen my kids if something goes down (I've had 8 ear surgeries, suprised I can hear anything)

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    Back on to firing a rifle indoors it sucks suppressed or not. With that said I have suppressed SBR by bed when sleeping. 5.56 or 300 B.O. some times I'll set out suppressed 9mm upper on in place of them. hearing loss will happen even with ear pro when fired inclosed spaces in part due to concussion travelling though skull / jaw bones ect to ear bones ( I think ) At this time of typing I'm hearing the ringing in ear(s) for years of exposure to gun fire and loud noise.
    I agree with said comment on thumping base of stereos can and does start to piss me off hearing it. Probable due to many IED's, mortars, tank, BFV and small arms fire for major part of my life.
    Stick you are spot on with your post too from my past experiences well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn View Post
    The real question (IMO) here is: Would you rather have a PCC or a shotgun?
    For capacity, precision, ergonomics, adaptability to optics and noise suppression, shot to shot recovery and ease of problem solving, I would choose a PCC over a shotgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wtm75 View Post
    Shotguns are nothing but reloadable muskets. They are relics in my opinion and I would never use one for home defense.

    1. Recoil

    2. Low capacity

    3. Ammo is large and cumbersome. It takes longer to reload and because the ammo is so large, you can only carry so much of it.

    4. Inaccurate. You never know where those pellets are going to go. While you can pattern it, there is always a chance of a flyer. Imagine you called in sick from work and are taking a nap or watching TV in your bedroom. For whatever reason, someone who knows your schedule kicks in the door to get at your wife thinking you aren't home.You respond and the perp is in your kitchen right next to wife. He's cornered when you show up. Would you chance the shot? I know I wouldn't but would with a rifle or PCC.

    5. Really short effective range. Past 20 or so yards, the chance of getting a hit decreases. The perp could have started in the house and now in the backyard behind some cover. If a shootout happens for whatever reason, you'd be outgunned with your shotgun in terms of effective range accuracy. Add the low capacity to that risk as well if there turns out to be multiple perps.

    Other than good terminal ballistics in one shot on a chest, I see nothing that it does better than a PCC or rifle. 1 to 3 shots at the same chest will stop the perp just as dead as any buckshot load. Dead is dead. There are more disadvantages than advantages for using a shotgun for home defense. It's a niche close in weapon for defense or a longer range weapon for hunting birds. Nothing more.
    All of that comes down to where you live and your house. My backyard is small. Under 20 yards. My house, while having 2100sqft, was built in a way that most rooms are perfect size for shotguns. And the area I live, despite being heavily populated, your not going to see gangbangers or crack heads breaking in. In 30 years we had one murder, a love triangle. And the 20 miles radius isn't any different.

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    The deafness acquired from shooting weapons is always preferable to the deafness acquired from being shot by them. Period.

    If anyone suffers enough violent personal confrontations or home invasions resulting in unplanned firearms discharges that such shots actually cause noticeable damage to their hearing, I would say that individual is having a remarkable run of success.

    I'd suggest moving, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtm75 View Post
    Shotguns are nothing but reloadable muskets. They are relics in my opinion and I would never use one for home defense.

    1. Recoil

    2. Low capacity

    3. Ammo is large and cumbersome. It takes longer to reload and because the ammo is so large, you can only carry so much of it.

    4. Inaccurate. You never know where those pellets are going to go. While you can pattern it, there is always a chance of a flyer. Imagine you called in sick from work and are taking a nap or watching TV in your bedroom. For whatever reason, someone who knows your schedule kicks in the door to get at your wife thinking you aren't home.You respond and the perp is in your kitchen right next to wife. He's cornered when you show up. Would you chance the shot? I know I wouldn't but would with a rifle or PCC.

    5. Really short effective range. Past 20 or so yards, the chance of getting a hit decreases. The perp could have started in the house and now in the backyard behind some cover. If a shootout happens for whatever reason, you'd be outgunned with your shotgun in terms of effective range accuracy. Add the low capacity to that risk as well if there turns out to be multiple perps.

    Other than good terminal ballistics in one shot on a chest, I see nothing that it does better than a PCC or rifle. 1 to 3 shots at the same chest will stop the perp just as dead as any buckshot load. Dead is dead. There are more disadvantages than advantages for using a shotgun for home defense. It's a niche close in weapon for defense or a longer range weapon for hunting birds. Nothing more.
    I AM NOT advocating the use of a shotgun for home defense over any other weapon.

    Just wanting to ask your frame of reference for making the statements you've made. Shotgun classes? Field experience? Because it seems you might be parroting things you've heard other places from other uninformed sources.

    1. Recoil. Much of the recoil can be negated by using low recoil ammunition and proper technique.

    2. Low capacity. Obviously lower than the pistol or the AR. But, most shotguns purposed for home defense have mag tube extensions given a capacity of 6 to 8 rounds. Agreed, you can never have too much ammo, but is 6 to 8 rounds too little for an HD situation?

    3. Ammo is large and cumbersome. The biggest disadvantage with this is single shell loading. As for you can only carry so much, how much do you need to carry for HD?

    4. Inaccurate. In today's world one of the biggest problems affecting accuracy with buckshot is improper choke selection for the round being used. So you do have to do some work in selecting your load and choke, obviously more than with the rifle or pistol.

    With modern HD loads the flyer I am most worried about is the wad. Inside ten yards most HD buckshot loads will be smaller than fist-sized. I've seen hundreds of ten yard headshots on steel in under 1.5 from either depressed ready or international ready with no hits on the hostage targets. It depends on your training and confidence. That being said, once again the flyer I'm most concerned with is the wad.

    In your scenario, whether I had a shotgun, a pistol, or a rifle, I would not hesitate to shoot if need be. Why? because I practice with all three, and in the shotgun's case, I tailor my loads to the situation I feel I will encounter - I load nothing but Brennecke slugs into the tubes of the two shotguns I have in the safe which are earmarked for potential home defense.

    5) Really short effective range. Here is a news flash - as range increases hit probability will decrease with any weapon. Granted, with buckshot loads beyond 35ish yards the buckshot spread is the more likely cause of flyers, but inside 25 yards, aimed fire should put all pellets on target. If you use slugs for HD, that range extends to between 50 and 75 yards for a moderately trained shooter using bead sights.

    So, the issue becomes what is the effective range needed for the HD scenario you envision? That should be a primary factor in your ammo selection. Based on my perceptions I see little use for buckshot in HD situations.

    As for this: Other than good terminal ballistics in one shot on a chest, I see nothing that it does better than a PCC or rifle. 1 to 3 shots at the same chest will stop the perp just as dead as any buckshot load. Dead is dead. There are more disadvantages than advantages for using a shotgun for home defense.

    First thing is that unless you want to wait for the guy to bleed out, or the 10 to 15 seconds it can take someone to cease actions after having their heart pulped, chest shots are not the most reliable stoppers. Having said that, assuming that someone can double with buckshot in the time it takes you to fire 3 to 4 rounds with your 9mm PCC, they have 16 to 18 wound channels versus your 3 to 4. Hmm, which will bleed out faster?

    Once again, I am not advocating the shotgun for home defense over any other weapon.

    My point is that for a moderately trained operator, the shotgun can be a viable home defense weapon, if they nedd to rely on it for one reason or another. The person that thinks, hey I'll load the shotgun with buckshot and then just point it at the guy and shoot, is woefully ignorant and ill-prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
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    My point is that for a moderately trained operator, the shotgun can be a viable home defense weapon, if they nedd to rely on it for one reason or another. The person that thinks, hey I'll load the shotgun with buckshot and then just point it at the guy and shoot, is woefully ignorant and ill-prepared.
    Good post and this sums up the post derailment into the shotgun vs. carbine for home defense. A pump shotgun was my duty long gun for several years before the carbine became approved so I have plenty of time on one. Would I feel undergunned and disadvantaged with a pump gun loaded with 00 buck in a home defense scenario? No. Is a shotgun my first choice in home defense? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I hope you are trolling. A 12 ga. loaded up with good ammo is still more effective that a .22 caliber pistol.
    I meant loaded with birdshot

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick84 View Post
    The deafness acquired from shooting weapons is always preferable to the deafness acquired from being shot by them. Period.
    This sentence encapsulates the ultimate wisdom I am taking away from this thread.

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