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    I'll just say that every time I've "dropped dime" on someone I had to to answer a dozen questions about "what, when, where, and who". It isn't just a matter of saying, "I saw some suspicious guys walking down the road" .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    It is so easy to be wrong and pretty damned insulting to SWAT someone in such a case if it were true.
    I'm certainly not paranoid of brown people, but I'm more than a little tired of people coming in here illegally, essentially like squatters, squeezing out a pup and automatically entitled to everything.
    I for a brief moment taught school after I retired from the .mil and believe it or not, we had a class on how we were supposed to deal with this. Don't judge, don't report, understand this is their culture and make sure the red carpet is rolled out at every opportunity. Now I'm all about assimilation and these kids getting a shot, but only if everything is legal and above board otherwise, deport them.
    There is a certain hazard to this that effects the rest of the population, everything from disproportionately higher tax rates, poorer schools and even medical stuff you wouldn't think about. Why is little Juan coughing up blood? Juan has TB, and he's been sitting there coughing all semester.
    It just get's old, really old here in Texas because not a weekend goes by that someone isn't killed in a DUI accident by someone who is here illegally and working under the table for a major company.
    I think the cherry on top, that brought us here was the indifference that went on for years and now some estimates are in the 30,000,000 range in population. So suddenly we all come to realize we're screwed and so are our kids and likely are grandkids when it comes to paying for these folks burden on the economy.
    If anything, all of this drama has raised awareness of how we were not served by a long line of Presidents in both parties when it comes to securing our border and just how much Mexico has contributed to and continues to contribute to the problem.
    If Trump has achieved anything, he has made us aware.
    I agree with what you are saying here, and I feel you speaking from the experience really helps us to understand your POV.

    I am fine with immigrants, and people wanting to be in the US. However they need to check all of their boxes and do the correct things, and travel the right roads to do so. We cannot just have people here doing whatever they want, hurting and destroying whomever and whatever they want though. That's a huge reason I took no issue in Trump calling out the MS13 piles.

    I just don't want to see innocent people trying to make a better life, get absolutely shit on because someone assumes they are here illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    I'll just say that every time I've "dropped dime" on someone I had to to answer a dozen questions about "what, when, where, and who". It isn't just a matter of saying, "I saw some suspicious guys walking down the road" .
    Sadly that. And don't be the guy who regularly reports local drug users, etc. or you become the "problem" in the minds of some LE agencies. One of the reasons I moved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Sadly that. And don't be the guy who regularly reports local drug users, etc. or you become the "problem" in the minds of some LE agencies. One of the reasons I moved.
    If I understood Doc Glockster's point he was saying that the fact you have provide some degree of credible information lessens the chance some innocent person is accosted. Which is the intent of the system.

    On the drug stuff, I don't know your circumstances, and I'm sure you are aware that officers need enough information to establish reasonable suspicion for a stop, or probable cause for an arrest.

    For the most part officers appreciate tips that draw their attention to someone. Sometimes the tipster gets frustrated when they see no action on their info simply because they don't know what else the drug unit has on the table that has priority on the drug unit's resources.
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    To further muddy the waters, report somebody and then watch them start driving by your property. That's why I say make sure you report somebody anonymously or hang your flyers in another neighborhood. I actually put a company out of business reporting them to ICE. They had a huge staff of illegals all working off the books, and I don't just mean folks out picking onions. They were a major greenhouse operation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    If I understood Doc Glockster's point he was saying that the fact you have provide some degree of credible information lessens the chance some innocent person is accosted. Which is the intent of the system.

    On the drug stuff, I don't know your circumstances, and I'm sure you are aware that officers need enough information to establish reasonable suspicion for a stop, or probable cause for an arrest.

    For the most part officers appreciate tips that draw their attention to someone. Sometimes the tipster gets frustrated when they see no action on their info simply because they don't know what else the drug unit has on the table that has priority on the drug unit's resources.
    There is a kid down the road a bit that has been dealing on and off for about two years, actually since his Senior year in HS.
    The Cops know about it, I have talked to one of them about it. They have arrested people twice that I know of a block away that had drugs in their car after leaving his house. From my understanding they would like to put him out of business, but he's been very lucky so far.
    You know some of this stuff takes time and some help, since we live a block from two schools, I don't mind a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    There is a kid down the road a bit that has been dealing on and off for about two years, actually since his Senior year in HS.
    The Cops know about it, I have talked to one of them about it. They have arrested people twice that I know of a block away that had drugs in their car after leaving his house. From my understanding they would like to put him out of business, but he's been very lucky so far.
    You know some of this stuff takes time and some help, since we live a block from two schools, I don't mind a bit.
    Translation: The cops are using the guy to nail other people. They know he's dealing, so they stake out his house and try to find excuses to pull people over leaving his residence. That way the dragnet is cast wider and they take more than just the dealer off the streets. The risk is that after a fashion too many of the guy's customers get nailed and he suddenly realizes he'd better move or 1) he's out of business, and 2) they're eventually going to just grab him and stop picking off his customers. In other words, if they wait too long to nab the dealer, he's gone.


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    Some encouragement:

    TPTB might actually start applying the law to people that get turned in:

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...cement-agency/

    Pro-migration groups are complaining as the Department of Homeland Security streamlines rules to help officials enforce long-ignored laws about illegal immigration, work visas, visa overstays and welfare.
    The enforcement effort is being readied by the department’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency, which is rolling out a stream of rules and regulation to clarify the responsibilities of agency officials, and the obligations for students, temporary visa-workers, employers, illegal migrants, people who overstay their visas, and various lawyers.
    The USCIS revamp is being led by agency chief, L. Francis Cissna, and is it generating protests from the immigration lawyers and migration advocates who gain from a very complex system with plenty of loopholes and shortcuts for migrants to use. The revamp is also being threatened with lawsuits by companies and universities who fear the enforcement will reduce their gains from foreign workers and foreign students.

    “This policy erases the ‘Service’ from USCIS and transforms the agency into yet another DHS enforcement tool,” said a statement from the president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

    The memos are part of a “well-organized and systematic effort by the current administration to make the process of legal immigration to the United States as difficult as possible for both immigrants and the employers who sponsor them,” Jennifer Minear, an immigration lawyer at McCandlish Holton told Forbes magazine. She continued:

    This policy, combined with others previously announced, will discourage the best and brightest minds from around the world from wanting to come to our country and contribute to our economy and culture. Indeed, that appears to be the intent of these policies – to frustrate and frighten people enough that they will not even attempt to navigate the process of coming here legally. Even if that is not the intent, that is sure to be the result.
    Of course there will be court challenges:

    The benefits of some changes show up quickly, but the new rules will have to survive many court challenges...
    Reading further, it basically says that if an alien is not approved then they are de facto illegally in the US and subject to deportation.

    USCIS will issue an NTA where, upon issuance of an unfavorable decision on an application, petition, or benefit request, the alien is not lawfully present in the United States.
    The bottom line:

    The new guidance will have a chilling effect, discouraging people who are eligible for immigration benefits from applying out of fear that they will be tossed into the deportation machine if they are denied … As a result, USCIS will now needlessly sweep tens of thousands of individuals into removal proceedings, including those who have lived and worked lawfully in the U.S. and would otherwise seek appellate review or depart voluntarily if their application is denied.

    On May 10, USCIS issued the Accrual of Unlawful Presence policy, which clearly states when migrants are deemed to be residing illegally in the United States. The policy was needed because immigration law sets tough penalties for people who are in the country illegally for more than 180 days or more than 1 year — yet the prior 1997 and 2009 policies said the clock started only after officials noticed and formally declared the person was overstaying their welcome.

    My take:


    We all know that people overstaying their visas is a rampant problem in this country. Between discouraging people from coming and turning in those who stay too long we might actually get a handle on this.
    Last edited by Doc Glockster; 07-17-18 at 13:18.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    If I understood Doc Glockster's point he was saying that the fact you have provide some degree of credible information lessens the chance some innocent person is accosted. Which is the intent of the system.

    On the drug stuff, I don't know your circumstances, and I'm sure you are aware that officers need enough information to establish reasonable suspicion for a stop, or probable cause for an arrest.

    For the most part officers appreciate tips that draw their attention to someone. Sometimes the tipster gets frustrated when they see no action on their info simply because they don't know what else the drug unit has on the table that has priority on the drug unit's resources.
    My circumstances were things like a car with four people in it stopped in the middle of a neighborhood road with four occupants all passed out from opiate use at 2am. I wasn't calling in a hot tip to the narco team, I was calling the ordinary dispatch line.

    After taking all of my information, the car was still there stopped in the middle of the road at 6am. Started to become clear that addicts weren't BSO's highest priority even though it was a fairly high priority concern for me as a homeowner.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Started to become clear that addicts weren't BSO's highest priority even though it was a fairly high priority concern for me as a homeowner.
    Well, in your case it is clear that BSO was doing training on active shooter response while the schools were vacant.

    Seriously, that is some BS, don't blame you at all for being upset.
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