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After reading the thread, seeing the number of posts you posted on the subject matter, and that a couple of your buddies outed you I'll assume that you are USSS.Originally Posted by jpmuscle
As for your quote above... is Kerry O'Grady still an agent with the service after stating on social media (I realize she was removed from her position as the Special Agent In Charge of the Denver District but wonder as to whether or not she still is in the employ of USSS) . . .
"In a nut shell, if it ever goes to Civil War, I'm afraid I'll be in the middle 70%, shooting at both sides" — 26 Inf
"We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon 10/30/18
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Yeah when I read the headline I totally envisioned a ninja in a Parahawk . . .
"In a nut shell, if it ever goes to Civil War, I'm afraid I'll be in the middle 70%, shooting at both sides" — 26 Inf
"We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon 10/30/18
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Not saying what they could have or should have done but that dude got pretty close. To deny the potential harm he could have done is silly. Grenade, IED, Chemical or Biological could have all been somewhat concealed and he looked to be within throwing distance.
I have to assume he was in at least one scope or magnified view and they could see he didn't have anything in his hands.
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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one
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How about a shaped charge full of shrapnell on the bottom of the kite, or a suicide vest full of high explosives and a quick release buckle? Maybe a contact fuse on his (or her) ass.
They let him get too close. Pure and simple.
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What if he was actually a she and she had a snuke? Could have taken out EVERYTHING from half a mile away.
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I get it. With a big enough bomb, he or she wouldn't need to get that close, but what is the point of a protective detail if not to keep at least those bad guys you can identify far enough away to reduce the chance of harming the principal?
No method of protection is going to be perfect, but this clown got way to close to the President, and I don't care what super secret Commander Cody weapons or scanners or intel his detail had, the goof in the flying chair was a threat. If he had wanted to harm the President, he could have. That alone seems reason enough to have taken him out - if far enough away than with non-lethel options, but by the time he got over the President's party, it was time to either wisk the President away at faster than a snail's pace or up the game and take out the threat, or both.
I'm not an expert. Just a goof with an opinion, but nothing about that video looked professional.
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Like he said, waaayyy too close
What if he had an explosive vest on, and if they shot him, they would have killed POTUS??!!??
What if.....
Last edited by MegademiC; 07-16-18 at 22:17.
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Let's try and remember that last time a guy was able to actually run INTO the white house with a knife. You have to find that middle ground between going to Defcon 1 every time somebody lights a cigarette in the vicinity and defending complete inaction because who expected somebody with a "Death to the WTO" shirt to actually be a problem.
Sometimes you have to just assess on the fly and be adaptable. Sometimes you have complete control over your surroundings and sometimes you have almost no control over your surroundings.
We should try and remember that a KNOWN member of the Manson family was able to get close enough to President Ford with a gun to try and assassinate him and it wasn't a member of the USSS or any protective detail that saved him that day. She was actually able to fire a shot and it was a member of the crowd who pushed the gun away.
Also if somebody really wanted to get Trump, or any President, I don't think they'd use such a dramatic entrance. Car bomb parked along intended route would be far more effective.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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I wonder if the air space between ground and aircraft altitude is under estimated for threats. These days that is exactly where drones, rc aircraft and paragliders/ultralights can maneuver. I would think by now it would be SOP for protecting heads of state to have a squadron of protective drones overhead at all times for observation, interdiction and if necessary lethal crashing/explosives. Probably way cheaper than some of the other measures also necessary.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry in an address at St. John’s Church, Richmond, Virginia, on March 23, 1775.
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It's not this incident that bothers me as much, as some goat raper in cave in shitstainastan now might be formulating a plan.
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