Update to my requirements:
It must be able to be carried like an m16/21- clip on the right side of the hinge, point down, back of the closed blade forward when in right pocket- i think this eliminates the voyager.
Thickness is key- i prefer the g10 m21!to the m16 zytel because it thinner. I would say .5” max, but flexible depending on everything else.
Gripable blade, the loop of the spyder/byrd knives wins here, m21 is decent. Just need enough material available to get a solid purchase on the blade.
Grip slip prevention- either the flipper like on the m21 /16 or a deep groove in the handle- the thumb ramp on the spyderco/byrd accomplishes this indirectly.
Lockup, i want to be able to use the back of the blade without fear- m21/16 wins. Im not hanging my it, i need it more for accidental release than raw strength.
Lastly, grip:blade ratio i would like as close to 1:1 as possible, feel like the m21 loses out here.
If i could move the clip on the voyager, id probably buy one, but doesnt look possible, am I wrong on that?
Sorry, i should have done this in OP, but didnt think it through clearly before posting.
Edit: why is the endura 4 more expansive than cara cara2, better materials? Both look very good
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