Eugenics and Unwanted Sterilization in the United States

[SteyrAUG]

And the American Progressive movement had its infancy at the same time as the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. Nothing seems to occur in a vacuum does it?

Margaret Sanger promoting Planned Parenthood in predominant Black neighborhoods while Hitler is working on plans for the "Final Solution". Democrats and their allies sure have a rotten history in this Country, from being the slavery party, to eugenics targeting Blacks, to opposition to the voting rights act, and finally the 20th version of slavery in the Great Society movement. Someone needs to produce a TV commercial pointing all of this out.

Let's not forget it was the "Democratic south" that was fighting civil rights and was king of the klan in the 60s. People seem to overlook that in the same way they forget that Lincoln was a Republican and so was Eisenhower when he sent the National Guard to Little Rock.

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Agreed. Along with donations to charities, churches, and everyone else. Your problem, you deal with it! Why do I have to give you my money.

I'm hoping you were talking about tax deductions to charities and churches, not saying such giving is frivolous.

As for this: Your problem, you deal with it!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a good thing our immigration system didn't have that mindset when your family came to America?

Every now and again we all need a hand - consider yourself lucky if you haven't.

The problem is offering a hand-up versus a hand-out.

With the availability of various contraceptive's, I have no problem at all with not increasing aide for subsequent births. The problem with such actions are that they have a disparate impact on the children. What do you think going to come first? Quality protein for the kids or cigs for mom and dad?

[SteyrAUG]

Eugenics is junk science propagated by people with a severe god complex.

As it was based upon blood theories related to things like dog breeding with no understanding of genetics at all, I completely agree.

I could understand a genetic based program "in theory" where we tried not to propagate those with severe hereditary issues, but I'm not sure how we could accomplish that "in practice" without doing some seriously inhuman things. It would be nice to eradicate things like severe health problems that are genetically predictable and spare the next generation, I just don't know how we could actually accomplish that without dictating who can lawfully reproduce.

And even if we did, there is no guarantee we'd actually get the results we expected and the unexpected consequences could even be more severe. There have been lots of groups who tried to purify their bloodline with dramatic consequences.

I still remember the early attempts with gene therapy. Everyone thought it was going to fix everything, until it didn't.

[Arik]

I'm hoping you were talking about tax deductions to charities and churches, not saying such giving is frivolous.

As for this: Your problem, you deal with it!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a good thing our immigration system didn't have that mindset when your family came to America?

Every now and again we all need a hand - consider yourself lucky if you haven't.

The problem is offering a hand-up versus a hand-out.

With the availability of various contraceptive's, I have no problem at all with not increasing aide for subsequent births. The problem with such actions are that they have a disparate impact on the children. What do you think going to come first? Quality protein for the kids or cigs for mom and dad?

I was being sarcastic in my reply to 7n6 post

"You're right, we should just end all welfare, every last tax supported social program. If you fall down into hard times then let the good community or your bible based church help you back on your feet. If no one helps you, then it's likely for good reason"

In other words if you're not a church goer and keep to yourself you're ****ed because there's obviously a "good reason". If that's the logic then why should I give money to my church to give to you if I don't want my taxes going to help you? I'd rather keep it all and use on me when I need it!

As for me.....well I'm glad there was something in place when we came here. It allowed my parents to supplement what little income they made (due to lack of English) while studying English

Yes I realize people abuse it. People abuse just about any favors, generosity, hand out, helping hand. Not everyone but youll only hear of the ones that do. You'll never hear of the family that used welfare for a few months while going through an unemployment period or other loss of income.

[OH58D]

Let's not forget it was the "Democratic south" that was fighting civil rights and was king of the klan in the 60s. People seem to overlook that in the same way they forget that Lincoln was a Republican and so was Eisenhower when he sent the National Guard to Little Rock.

And at the time of the Civil War, there were Northern Democrats who also were sympathetic to slave-holding southerners. It wasn't as clean and neat as everyone thinks. My wife's ancestors were Confederate guerrillas in Northwestern Arkansas/Southwestern Missouri and members of Harrison's 3rd Louisiana Cavalry in Louisiana. None of these people were slave holders.

I was in Louisiana last year for a wedding and listening on local radio about the destruction or removal of Confederate Monuments. The discussion involved many antebellum plantation homes on the National Register of Historic Places, and many of these farming operation were run by slaves. Since these were being equated to slave concentration work camps, should these old homes be demolished as well? Locals in Louisiana are not happy about all of this. You even have Parishes (Counties) named after Confederate Generals.

Slavery, Eugenics or other evils of the world are products of the democrat party.

[Business_Casual]

Slavery, Eugenics or other evils of the world are products of the democrat party.

Or just the government.

[Business_Casual]

Slavery, Eugenics or other evils of the world are products of the democrat party.

Or just the government.

[Averageman]

Slavery, Eugenics or other evils of the world are products of the democrat party.

Or just the government.

Well, I think you could safely say if not for the emphasis on this by the Democratic Party, our Government might very well have not been a participant.
There were a lot of other little ways they went about this and it certainly didn't end until very recently.
I do believe my Step-Father told me this was happening to Navajo Women in the 1970's and perhaps later.
Some of the things people have said, and some of those people were in the Oval Office when they supposedly said them were deeply racist and looked at minorities as a tool to be used and then discarded once used. I'm sorry, those people were Democrats and that they have maintained the ability to perform this political sleight of hand for over a hundred years and still get away with it is simply amazing.

[Arik]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the political parties reversed (from what they are today) around the time of the civil war? Meaning that Democrats were what we today consider Republicans and vise versa

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[Korgs130]

Let's not forget it was the "Democratic south" that was fighting civil rights and was king of the klan in the 60s. People seem to overlook that in the same way they forget that Lincoln was a Republican and so was Eisenhower when he sent the National Guard to Little Rock.

Democrat Governor of AR Orval E. Faubus had called out the National Guard to prevent the integration of Little Rock Central HS. Ike federalized the AR Guard in order to force them to stand down and then sent in 1,000 soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division to make sure the integration happened.