Military Weapons Trial, only the Kalashnikov AK 103 finishes the torture tests.

[jpmuscle]

You have modified/upgraded AK variants, that shoot as well as a stock Colt... but AK is best, right?

Edit:
I was over on LF and ran into a post by Pat Rogers stating that an Alaskan cop killed a polar bear with an M16. I thought that was interesting since M16’s don’t work in the cold, at least on this thread. Maybe I’ll tell Pat that it simply cannot be.

Well, Pat is deceased so that probably won’t work.


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[RetroRevolver77]

You have modified/upgraded AK variants, that shoot as well as a stock Colt... but AK is best, right?

Edit:
I was over on LF and ran into a post by Pat Rogers stating that an Alaskan cop killed a polar bear with an M16. I thought that was interesting since M16’s don’t work in the cold, at least on this thread. Maybe I’ll tell Pat that it simply cannot be.

In 5.56NATO have Colt AR's, Arsenal 106's/SA-M5's, and some Steyr AUG's. My AR's are all mil spec configurations- nothing aftermarket.

As far as cold weather, the article below is older. The test shows there are more reliable firearms suitable for certain environments. I've been wanting this same test conducted again just to see if the findings still hold true. Which is why we should always continue to develop more reliable firearms.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/215884687...est-April-1986

[VIP3R 237]

I have always thought that debris clearance is the main reason why the AK generally excels at these types of tests.

I still don't know how the 416 would fair in the same extreme environmental tests that failed the other manufacturers AR18 hybrids as mentioned in the original article. I have a feeling the results would be the same and this is all starting to reveal weaknesses in the underlying designs with these types of testing. I think the overall failures have more to do with clearances for debris than anything else though the piston might help in say an extremely cold environment requiring less lube to overcome carbon built up in the receiver.

[Arik]

Don't see how a side mount is poor. It's solid and in the same place.

This whole thing is retarded. Each rifle has it's individual plus/negatives. But neither is that far apart as people make it seem to be ..... unless you're hung up on some insignificant thing

This is rank apologism.

An ultimak gasblock rail and the cantilever side mount are work arounds. They are not a continuous top rail. An ultimak does not allow you to adjust eye relief, and a side mount is a poor alternative for a precision optic (provided you can actually mount one and get eye relief for it) as compared to a solid top rail.

An AK can be adapted to modern optics and LAMs. An M4 is ready, out of the box.

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[1168]

Well, Pat is deceased so that probably won’t work.

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Yeah, it was from 2012. I’ll redact my post, because re-reading it I come off a little extra poopy.

[1168]

Don't see how a side mount is poor. It's solid and in the same place.

This whole thing is retarded. Each rifle has it's individual plus/negatives. But neither is that far apart as people make it seem to be ..... unless you're hung up on some insignificant thing





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I can get behind that. I’ve said before that, if you give a Ranger Battalion or Infantry Marine Battalion AK74’s and a few months to work with them, the outcome of battle would not likely be different. SOF Truth #1: Humans are more important than hardware.

However, to say that the Kalashnikov is BETTER, because you can chuck it off an overpass, or bury it in gloop, or put a PB&J under the top cover, or that the M4 doesn’t work, is just ....silly. And I am not confident that this “trial” was conducted objectively and without bias.

[SteyrAUG]

Now I'm confused.

I was stating the M4 doesn't have a true folding / winter trigger guard.

[Arik]

I can get behind that. I’ve said before that, if you give a Ranger Battalion or Infantry Marine Battalion AK74’s and a few months to work with them, the outcome of battle would not likely be different. SOF Truth #1: Humans are more important than hardware.

However, to say that the Kalashnikov is BETTER, because you can chuck it off an overpass, or bury it in gloop, or put a PB&J under the top cover, or that the M4 doesn’t work, is just ....silly. And I am not confident that this “trial” was conducted objectively and without bias.

Agreed 100000%. PB&J in the action and nose dives out of 747s are not true test nor does one test say anything about the history of the firearm

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[556Cliff]

I was stating the M4 doesn't have a true folding / winter trigger guard.

Isn't that exactly what it is? It has a built in detent just for the ability to fold it down.

[kaltesherz]

Not a folding trigger guard, just one you can take apart and certainly not a standard feature on any issue M4 weapon.

Actually it is, and yes it's on every M4/M16 ever issued- takes a bullet tip to activate