Bronze star recipient defending his home shot by responders

[pinzgauer]

Pretty tragic. Lawyer indicates the wife gave the police a description of what her husband was wearing and that the bad guy was naked.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-fat...ry?id=56945256

I know sometimes accidents happen, but I also think about the medical "first, do no harm" thing and wonder if with the shift from peacekeeping to "law enforcement" something like that is needed for officer training.

Feels like there has been a shift, that we see more of what I feel may be questionable shots just because they saw someone with a weapon.

Maybe we just hear about these more now. But this one (and other similar ones) are very troubling.

[RetroRevolver77]

The officer should be charged with manslaughter for failing to identify his target.

[SteyrAUG]

Feels like there has been a shift, that we see more of what I feel may be questionable shots just because they saw someone with a weapon.

Maybe we just hear about these more now. But this one (and other similar ones) are very troubling.

I think it's more a shift from people who used to defend their home and property with a firearm to people who just "call the cops / call a lawyer" and let someone else fix their problems.

As a consequence, in some areas, police encounter fewer armed homeowners. But at much as I want LEOs to protect themselves, some "do no harm" training and extra emphasis would probably help at the academy and during the probationary year.

Sounds like the wife did her "due diligence" with the 911 call and this simply should NOT have happened unless the home defender did something really, really wrong like flag the responding officers.

[sidewaysil80]

You know as a cop I tend to look at these things differently and try not judge based on heinsight or facts learned after the fact. With that...







Fry the responding officer. You were given an ID on the homeowner and that he was in the house. Why the hell wouldn’t you id before shooting. This to me is just as bad as that rookie nd’ing out of fear in the NYC stairway and killing someone. Hell, this is almost as bad as the recent video of LA’s finest shooting the hostage along with the attacker.

Bad tactics are bad tactics and bad apples are just that. Tar and feather them for sullying the profession.

[moonshot]

You know as a cop I tend to look at these things differently and try not judge based on heinsight or facts learned after the fact. With that...


Fry the responding officer. You were given an ID on the homeowner and that he was in the house. Why the hell wouldn’t you id before shooting. This to me is just as bad as that rookie nd’ing out of fear in the NYC stairway and killing someone. Hell, this is almost as bad as the recent video of LA’s finest shooting the hostage along with the attacker.

Bad tactics are bad tactics and bad apples are just that. Tar and feather them for sullying the profession.

I generally support LE, and I would caution everyone to wait until all the info gets examined, but if what we've been told so far is accurate, and without some very incriminating information on the actions of the homeowner prior to being shot (like pointing his gun at the officers), than I agree completely with the above.

Shoot first, ask questions later is not how LE is supposed to be. Lots of good guys have guns. Sometimes they get used in defense of family or self. Accidental shootings are tragic. Sometimes they are still justifiable, sometimes not. LE should be subject to the same standards as non-LE if the wrong person gets shot, perhaps a higher standard.

[pinzgauer]

To be fair it's before the investigation, not all the facts are known, MMQB, etc.

I just hate to see these for the families involved on both sides.

I'm sure the officer did not wake up that day intending to kill a citizen.

Sure underscores concerns about encountering LEO while armed.

[26 Inf]

You know as a cop I tend to look at these things differently and try not judge based on heinsight or facts learned after the fact. With that...







Fry the responding officer. You were given an ID on the homeowner and that he was in the house. Why the hell wouldn’t you id before shooting. This to me is just as bad as that rookie nd’ing out of fear in the NYC stairway and killing someone. Hell, this is almost as bad as the recent video of LA’s finest shooting the hostage along with the attacker.

Bad tactics are bad tactics and bad apples are just that. Tar and feather them for sullying the profession.

In general I agree with what you wrote.

Howsomeever, are you refering to the Trader Joe's shooting when you say 'recent video of LA’s finest shooting the hostage along with the attacker?'

IMHO too many trainers don't discuss the ethical aspects of the officer's job.

Officers should internalize and be cognizant of the fact that they taken a job which in all probability will expose them to fluid situations, where they (the officers) will need to face some degree of risk in order to make proper force decisions and therefore, protect the public.

Instead we get the tired dogma 'I'm going home at the end of my shift, no matter what' with no real thought about the ethical aspect of their job.

[Coal Dragger]

Cop involved is clearly an incompetent moron, charge him with murder and then publicly hang his stupid ass. Fire all of the senior police officials on that department too.

The city of Aurora should also pretty much be sued to bankruptcy.

[1168]

Did the wife’s description of the parties involved make it from 911 to dispatch to the responding LEO’s? In my limited experience the “telephone game” does not alway play out.

[ST911]

Cop involved is clearly an incompetent moron, charge him with murder and then publicly hang his stupid ass. Fire all of the senior police officials on that department too. The city of Aurora should also pretty much be sued to bankruptcy.

And with that, here's the only warning for this thread. This is a discussion forum, not an outrage and hyperbole forum. Discuss the issues please.